rondal Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 All 120 roll film 6x6 cameras <u>with fixed lenses</u> that I've heardof so far have "normal" length lenses in the general neighborhood of75mm. Is anyone familiar with a 6x6cm-equivalent to the Brooks-PlaubelVeriwide 100 or the Minolta Auto-Wide? (It needn't even have arangefinder or a light meter!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravi_swamy Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Rollei makes a TLR with a 50mm lens. There is an old version from the 60's and they recently started making a new one. I think it is about $4000... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db1 Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Ever heard of a Hasselblad Superwide or SWC? http://www.adorama.com/HS905SWC.html?searchinfo=swc&item_no=11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_cochran Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 There's the Hasselblad SWC, with a 38mm lens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
._._z Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Why does it have to have a fixed lens? You could get a very affordable Mamiya TLR with wideangle lens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rondal Posted February 24, 2005 Author Share Posted February 24, 2005 Why a fixed lens? Size. I was looking for affordable alternatives to the Mamiya 6 rangefinder in <a href="http://www.photo.net/shared/community-member?user_id=663396">another posting</a>, and someone suggested that, since there are really no affordable alternatives for an interchangable lens system 6x6 camera that's as compact as the Mamiya 6, I'd be better off with two fixed-lens 6x6 cameras (such as folder cameras); one with a "normal" lens and one with a wide angle lens. I already found one with a normal lens, so now all I need is the wide angle version.<p>The Rollei and Hasselblad models suggested above are way over my price range, since the entire point of getting this camera was to avoid shelling out $1500 for the Mamiya 6 with lenses. I guess I should have mentioned that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_m Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Why do you need it to be fixed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aoresteen Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Well, you could get the Fuji 6x9 RF with the 65mm and crop it. Mamiya 6 had a WA lens for it (55mm?) The Lunar Hasselblad had a special 60mm Biogon. But as others have said the Hasselblad SWC with 38mm is what you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen hazelton Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Pinhole time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen hazelton Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Actually, come to think of it, the Holga is moderately wide angle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetlevel Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 well - it's slightly not as optically good as the stock lense, but the wide angle adapter for my YashicaMat 124G is not too bad. I think I paid 150 for the camera and another 75 for the lens adapter. Fairly easy to carry rig, all things considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feli Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Fuji made some very nice 6x4.5 cameras with a 4/60. Blazing sharp lens. You can find them for $400-800 depending on condition. Try www.keh.com feli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shambrick007 Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 also with a 45/5.6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jean-louis llech Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Ronnie,<br> I know that this is not 6x6 but 6x9.<br> But the Fuji GSW III rangfinder camera with a fixed 65mm is a good solution.<br> I think that it would be better to buy a 6x9 and to crop your negatives square if you need than a 4 1/2x6 camera.<br> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreas_carl Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Why recommend a Fuji 6x9 and crop to 6x6 if you can get a Fuji 6x7 which is less wasteful crop to 6x6? Ronnie, all three cameras are really great: Mamiya 6x6, Fuji 6x9 (or 6x8 or 6x7) and Hassie SWC. Can't go wrong with either of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_wong2 Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Baby graphic 23 with 47 super angulon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan_fromm2 Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Danny Wong wrote "Baby graphic 23 with 47 super angulon" Hmm. "Baby Graphic" is usually applied to the Miniature Speed Graphic. A 47 SA won't focus to infinity on a Mini. It is also applied to the 2x3 Pacemaker Speed Graphic. Same problem there. The shortest lens I've seen used on a 2x3 Speed is a 1.75"/2.8 (yes, 44 mm) Elcan. Don't know if a 35/4.5 ApoGrandagon will work on one. I use a 47/5.6 SA on a Century Graphic (= cheaper plastic-bodied version of the 2x3 Crown Graphic), and it works very well on that camera. I don't have one, but the above mentioned 35 ApoGrandy will work on a Century/2x3 Crown. Covers nominal 6x9, too. Ronnie, if you want wiiiide and have the money, get one and a body to hold it. All of these cameras accept nominal 6x6, 6x7, and 6x9 backs, their RFs, if present, won't work with a 47, and they aren't fixed-lens. Not, I think, what Ronnie is asking about. Perhaps what he/she/it should want, though. A propos of the SWC, Photographic Systems, of Albuquerque, NM, has been offering a thin Graflex XL with 38/4.5 Biogon, 6x6 back, and finder for rather less than a used SWC. The lens comes off, other lenses can be used on the body. Too expensive for me, but then I have a Century and a 38 Biogon in Copal 0. The lens works well on the Century, doesn't cover 6x9 but that's what I shoot it on anyway. Who needs corners? Or an Alpa 12, for that matter? Cheers, Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
art_haykin Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Go to Google.com and key in Rolleiwide. You find some TLRs offered with 55mm F4 Zeiss Distagon lenses (fixed, or course) usually staring at around 2 grand. They are fairly rare and are superfine cameras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmo_trutta Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Second the SWC Hasselblad option. Great optics and if you look for a much earlier model, you may occasionally get a deal off the Bay. Compact, light, but no rangefinder. The focusing screen is not very practical. good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_elek Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 MF format lenses tend to be expensive -- fixed or not. And wide angle lenses are among the most costly. Your best bet would be to buy the camera and appropriate lens you want and not focus so much on cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich_ullsmith1 Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Man, the prices being thrown around here would've kept me away from MF. The first rollei I ever saw was in a box in my neighbor's garage. There's gotta be a few more out there. 75mm xenar, so sharp it's psychedelic. I thing that equates to about 45mm. If the price is right and you still want 35mm lens, take a few steps backward before pushing the button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
._._z Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Have you people actually read the thread where Ronnie gave a budget of $1500? Sheesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pensacolaphoto Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 I own a $1000 Graflex XLW camera with a fixed wide angle lens, the Schneider 47mm/8. The Graflex allows interchangeable backs, ranging from 6x6 to 6x9. It's a light camera with a super lens. The Veriwide is more expensive since it is made by a fancy maker in addition to giving a slightly larger image on film than the XLW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerkko_kehravuo Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 For a budget of 1500 (value lost) USD you should be able to get an old Superwide with a magazine. Age does not matter if your budget is limited. Of course, buy as new as you can. Buy even a brand new 905 for the rest of your life if you can. All Superwides, not depending on age, are usable. If it was able to make brilliant results in the 50's, it still is. Kerkko K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francois_gauthier Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 I was in a similar situation when i wanted to complete my beloved TLRs 6x6. The late Mamiya 6 is the best wide/normal combo (in my opinion) but it does not come cheap. I settled for a Fuji GS645W , a manual focus 45mm F5.6 fixed lens. It is light (less than 2 pounds) and compact enough to carry with another camera. I would have prefer a 6x6 but it is a great camera, the best value in wide medium format (28mm lens equivalent in 35mm film) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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