nasmformyzombie Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 This looks really dicey fellas. Wire transfer only! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=30030&item=7506301639&rd=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_a Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 Give me an S!<P> Give me a C!<P> Give me an A!<p> Give me an M!<P> What does is spell?<P> MACS!<P> Wait, that's not right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brambor Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 I would love to get a BLACK user M3 but I wouldn't pay the collector prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob F. Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 Funny, no picture of a $12,000 camera? I just asked him to post one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerry_lehrer Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 The best way to get a black M3 and not pay collector price is to buy a clean chrome one, and send it to Shintaro for painting black. You should not be afraid to use it when you get it back. I understand that there are other "Leica Painters" that also do a fine job. Jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob F. Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 The serial # is right for a black paint M3. That doesn't mean he's got one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_a Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 Peter at <a href="http://www.angelfire.com/biz/Leica/page3.html">CRR Luton</a> does a great job of painting cameras. <p> <a href="http://www.westlicht-auction.com/index.php?lang=3">WestLicht Photographica Auction on 21 May 2005</a> has some original black M2 and M3's up for auction. <a href="http://www.westlicht-auction.com/index.php?id=25176&acat=25176&_ssl=off">M cameras are here.</a> A M3 BP starts at 4500 EUR, another M3 BP for 9000 EUR. A BP M2 starts at 4500 EUR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic_. Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 I was curious, so I looked. The seller is a woman who is selling her late husband's cameras. She has already sold a Leica camera for over $4,000 and two Leicas for over $2,000. Where is the presumption of innocence? Anybody could do a bit of checking. Maybe someone should help her out a bit. Her name is J. Rosen, could be Eliot's cousin's wife. This is what will probably happen to all your cameras in a few years. I hope your wives are prepared. Mine has no clue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_evans4 Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 <p>A <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7506301639"><a href="StickTheURLhere">LINK</a></a> is so easy to make.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nasmformyzombie Posted April 5, 2005 Author Share Posted April 5, 2005 Vic, You looked? Where? And why hide the names of the BIDDERS? Still looks veeeerrrryyyyy fishy. But what do I know, I was just looking for a nice chrome M3 for about $500-600. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic_. Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 If you look at the timeline of her auctions, she did the right thing. She sold the cheaper cameras first, to build up her Ebay credibility, and then most recently sold the M2R for $4,000+. I wish someone would help her realize the best from her husband's collection. Most of the cameras she sold are mint, with papers. Some sober food for thought, for the collectors amongst us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rod g. Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 From some of the earlier sales I gather this is a widow selling her late husband's Leica collection, 100% feedback, 11 feedback credits from 12 happy buyers. All previous auctions are still viewable and the buyers are a fairly diverse and credible looking lot. Some surprisingly good cameras amongst those sold. I will say the photos are not consistent from auction to auction, some better than others but doesn't mean she's taking them herself. As already noted the lack of a description and photos of the black Leica M3 are suspect as are the terms, wire transfer, personal check. I'd take more convincing but you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic_. Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 Gary, you can easily click on the number 11 that is next to her Ebay name, to see her feedback. Then click on each item's number, and you will see the auction items. Sure there are dicey people on Ebay, but just because an expensive item (that is, expensive to us, but cheap to multi-millionaires) shows up, doesn't necessarily mean it's a scam. Perhaps I'm wrong, and if so, I'm sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_a Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 I do wonder why this auction is different from the others? No photos, wire transfer only, and buy it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic_. Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 Jim A, why don't you send the seller an email? A bit of communication might put you out of your quandary. And we wonder on this forum why the Homeland Security officers pounce on photographers who take pictures of Federal property! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgh Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 Is anyone here really interested in a $12,000 M3? If you are a 'private' auction might spare you some embarrassment in the Leica forum crowd. As for real or not - a heads up - get your wives/girlfriends ready, you never know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry_ Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 Wire transfer --- only if the seller can 'wire transfer' the M3 body to the buyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunom Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 Vic Why do you say her name is J Rosen - An ebay user name doesn't prove much, or is there some other way of finding out? Also isn't it the way to go with a scam, start off small and then auction the big one,after building up bidder confidence? If I was a seller, I would do all I could to help sell the item, and some good photos would go a long way to help in that department.I feel something is obviously not right with this auction. Regards Bruno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic_. Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 <i>Why do you say her name is J Rosen - An ebay user name doesn't prove much, or is there some other way of finding out? </i> <p>I guess I'm naive, I assume most people are honest. <p> <i>Also isn't it the way to go with a scam, start off small and then auction the big one,after building up bidder confidence?</i> <p>The same could be said about an honest seller trying to build their name. Sure, one should exercise caution, but not be too paranoid. Otherwise there's a criminal hiding under every bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aoresteen Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 I sent an email asking for photos and if I could pick up the camera in person with a cashier's check. We will see what comes back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger_michel Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 my guess is that she already has a private offer and is running the auction just to make sure that she is doing the best she can. i have emailed with her several times and believe she is totally legit. i also know one of her satisfied customers. frankly, as suggested already, these are great items that are going for relatively short money. the gear appears to be absolutely impeccable. do your own due diligence of course!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunom Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 Vic It is a shame that it has become [ or was it always?] prudent to expect the worst. I really hope that it turns out OK, but it sure is a funny way of selling such an expensive item sight unseen? Regards Bruno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul t Posted April 6, 2005 Share Posted April 6, 2005 This woman's auctions have been mentioned here before. there are a lot of scams on eBay, but I would've thought it's worth emailing her and asking why there are no photos, before labelling her a fraud. <p> In addition, gary, altho there are few words in her listing it appears you might not have read them properly - in particular the detail that she accepts personal checks, and that this is therefore not a 'wire transfer only' auction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capocheny Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 Bidding ended for this item... Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunom Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 Only one [hidden] bidder - well it could have been the seller? Ebay expenses put down to experience, if no-one else takes the bait! This may have been perfectly legit, but why no photos and hidden bidder? Just wierd. Bruno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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