neil_baylis Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 It looks phony to me. --> "my guess, however, is that is is "just" a mechanical RF designed to take the full range of G2 lenses " I don't think that could work.. G lenses have no focus ring, they are autofocus only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucien1 Posted September 17, 2004 Author Share Posted September 17, 2004 That Biogon T* 28mm f/2.8 is clearly the Contax G2 lens in a new mount. When you look at the lens design and how far the lens protude in the camera body, you can see that it will not work with a digital camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucien1 Posted September 17, 2004 Author Share Posted September 17, 2004 G2 lens<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger_michel Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 i menat, of course, remounted into mechanical focus helicals. didn't realize i had to spell that out. the g2 mounts are probably proprietary anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sang_wook_sohn Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 more pictures!! (thanks Irfan for the link). http://www.zeiss.de/C12567A8003B8B6F/GraphikTitelIntern/21PuzzleH/$File/BwP-21.jpg http://www.zeiss.de/C12567A8003B8B6F/GraphikTitelIntern/25PuzzleI/$File/BwP-25.jpg http://www.zeiss.de/C12567A8003B8B6F/GraphikTitelIntern/27PuzzleK/$File/BwP-27.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_morris4 Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 The close-up pictures, especially, look like computer simulations from 3D models. Maybe it's just compression artifacts, or some other post processing, though. The hinge on the left end looks exactly like the hinge on the various Bessas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_demas1 Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 That 3rd image definitely seems to show the back side of a film advance lever. So... it's either a film camera or a RD-1 style shutter assembly for digital. You have to love the suspense! Great looking body, very classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shambrick007 Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 The rumor on the CVUG is that it?s a Zeiss branded Bessa R3A (auto exposure). That would explain the rumors that the new R3 has more of a Leica look. That?s where my bet is. <p>It will be interesting to see what focal lengths the new M-mount lenses will come in?the full G series range? And how they will be priced compared to their Leica counterparts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sang_wook_sohn Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 <img src="http://www.zeiss.de/C12567A8003B8B6F/GraphikTitelIntern/01PuzzleA/$File/BwP-01.jpg" border=0> <img src="http://www.zeiss.de/C12567A8003B8B6F/GraphikTitelIntern/03PuzzleB/$File/BwP-03.jpg" border=0> <img src="http://www.zeiss.de/C12567A8003B8B6F/GraphikTitelIntern/07PuzzleC/$File/BwP-07.jpg" border=0> <img src="http://www.zeiss.de/C12567A8003B8B6F/GraphikTitelIntern/09PuzzleD/$File/BwP-09.jpg" border=0> <img src="http://www.zeiss.de/C12567A8003B8B6F/GraphikTitelIntern/01PuzzleA/$File/BwP-01.jpg" border=0> <img src="http://www.zeiss.de/C12567A8003B8B6F/GraphikTitelIntern/13PuzzleE/$File/BwP-13.jpg" border=0> <img src="http://www.zeiss.de/C12567A8003B8B6F/GraphikTitelIntern/15PuzzleF/$File/BwP-15.jpg" border=0> <img src="http://www.zeiss.de/C12567A8003B8B6F/GraphikTitelIntern/19PuzzleG/$File/BwP-19.jpg" border=0> <img src="http://www.zeiss.de/C12567A8003B8B6F/GraphikTitelIntern/21PuzzleH/$File/BwP-21.jpg" border=0> <img src="http://www.zeiss.de/C12567A8003B8B6F/GraphikTitelIntern/25PuzzleI/$File/BwP-25.jpg" border=0> <img src="http://www.zeiss.de/C12567A8003B8B6F/GraphikTitelIntern/27PuzzleK/$File/BwP-27.jpg" border=0> <img src="http://www.zeiss.de/C12567A8003B8B6F/GraphikTitelIntern/28ZeissIkon/$File/BwP-28.jpg" border=0> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger_michel Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 pretty clear on/off switch in front of speed dial (popular toggle type). so what about an M7 knock-off?? this makes sense because it is almost certain that CV was going to introduce an auto bessa at p-kina. either this is the bessa offering (in zeiss clothes) or zeiss has just piggybacked on the bessa auto in the same way that rollei piggybacked on the basic bessa. so is that it -- a zeiss m7?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furcafe Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 If it's a film camera, it might be motorized (e.g., G2, Hexar RF). They're clearly reviving many styling cues from the old Zeiss Ikon products: the bumps on the bottom (where the keys were located on the Contax II & III to remove the back--a film RF w/digital back capability would be cool) & the 3-lobed bayonet filter ring on the lens (like the B56 mount on Contarex lenses). --------------------- "Peter A Photo.net Patron, sep 17, 2004; 10:02 a.m. where is the rewind knob/crank? roger michel Photo.net Hero, sep 17, 2004; 10:04 a.m. on the bottom?? would be typical for a zeiss product." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger_michel Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 street price guess -- $2695 with a lens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerry_szarek Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 Bessa R3 made for Zeiss, M mount, Digital APS sensor. The final nail in Leica's coffin. The big question is when will be available and how much. I suspect the when is within a month, since Steve has been cleaning out his inventory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
film rules Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 I think this is going to turn out to be a re-badged Cosina/Voigtlander R3 - with a hinged film door and AE. In any event, I am glad that my Leica lenses are chrome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furcafe Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 The CVUG speculation mentioned by Sheldon sounds on the money to me. Sadly, this means that the ZI-badged "Bessa" will probably be sold @ a huge markup over the CV product (like the current Rollei 35 RF). However, it will be nice to have the Contax G lenses available in M mount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_morris4 Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 If it is a Bessa variant, then at least it has a full-size rangefinder. Hope the shutter's not too loud.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Smith Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 It is was an M bayoneted Contax that could be great - sort of like a Hexar RF. Robin Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul a. roid Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 looks very much like a Bessa to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del_gray Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 When they were rolling out the teasers every couple of days, the accompanying text one day said something about a flexible solution to preventing color casts in your shots. What could this mean other than a reference to digital white balance? For me, this is the evidence that the camera is digital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shambrick007 Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 "What could this mean other than a reference to digital white balance?" <p> Poor German translation ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shambrick007 Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 Also, fixing what "color casts"? All my color casts of late have come FROM using digital! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerry_szarek Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 According to Bob Shell that is the new Zeiss Ikon camera based on the Cosina R3A. From the rangefinder forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icuneko Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 It's probably just a jazzed-up Lomo ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_elek Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 The rangefinder base of this camera appears to be much wider than the Cosina Bessa cameras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry_rory Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 Unless it is (at least) a full frame M mount digital then it is not that exciting. APS sized sensor digital with M mount = Done already with Epson RD-1. M mount film based rangefinders = More than enough brands/models for everyone already = commercially doomed. Zeiss (only) mount manual rangefinder = why? 28mm fixed focal length film camera = They are nuts One thing that may make commercial sense = Full frame digital rangefinder with M mount and a new range of classic Zeiss made M mount primes to go with it. Oh and with a body price less than the Epson RD-1 AND made in Germany. Now that would get you all going mental!! Or maybe an M mount rangefinder/lens mount/shutter unit (a sort of chassis) into which either a complete digital or film 'module' could be interchanged without having to rewind the film!! There would be parties here for days or even weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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