john_fleetwood Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 I've been using a Minolta XD11 lately. It's a great camera except for the really long shutter lag. There is quite a delay as the lens stops down before the shutter fires. The earlier R bodies are basically the same body, I understand. Does the R4, for example, have a long shutter lag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald_moravec1 Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 I believe you are waiting for the mirror to go up and lens to stop dowm. Slr`s are inherently longer lag than rangefinders. Auto expose sometimes leads to increased delay also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maestro logos Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 I don't know about the R4, but on my R6.2 (which has a mechanically-timed shutter) there doesn't seem to be a delay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen_w. Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 Since the mechanisms are largely the same, I would suspect the lag to be similar, if not the same; why wouldn't they be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan_russell Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 If by shutter lag you mean a pause between pressing the shutter release and the camera firing, then neither of my R4 cameras have any shutter lag. They are both...almost...as immediate as my M2. Jonathan Russell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTC Photography Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 My R4 shutter behaves like R5/R-E; I don't see any long shutter lag, R4 and XD11 has only superfical similarities-- the shell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald_moravec1 Posted June 14, 2004 Share Posted June 14, 2004 Leica had a timer set up a few Photokinas ago and people were challenged to catch the peak of action. Leica freely admits the lag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob F. Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 It would never occur to me to say that my R5 has any sort of lag, shutter or otherwise. Nor my R4, when I had one. This brings me to my R6. I always felt it was a bit slow to respond. Not neccessarily the shutter, just the whole contraption. The picture didn't happen for a split second after pressing the button. Maybe 1/4 or 1/5 second. Recently I happened to attached my motor drive R to the R6. The R6 became a whole new camera. When firing from the motor drive button, the shot fired off instantaneously. Totally responsive. I imagine that the motor provided the energy, evidently lacking in the camera's springs, to move the mechanism through its paces quickly. So that's what I have to contribute about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug herr Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 My experience is mostly with the R4s, R4sP and various species of Leicaflex. I've seen a big variation in lag on the R4xx bodies; in one case I could watch through the viewfinder for an interminable length of time while the lens stopped down, the mirror rose and the shutter fired. A CLA made this camera much more responsive. <P> Even with a freshly-serviced R4xx the shutter lag was perceptibly longer than on any of the Leicaflexes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_fang Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 I actually owned a brace of XD-11s at one point. Not a bad camera. While I was shopping for them, I ran across one sample in particular that had an extremely long delay between pressing the shutter and the actual firing. Turns out that it needed a CLA and solenoid replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry_zet Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 r4 have shutter lag - as have xd-11 (xd-7 here in europe) reason, once a minolta rep told me: the xd stops down the aperture then the ttl-meter makes another metering before the mirror goes up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald_moravec1 Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 If you all want to prove it to yourselves, prerelease the mirror on r-6 or later and see the difference in response. The lag is in the mirror and lens diaphragm, not the shutter to a large extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary_pinkerton1 Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 Up until the R7 and R8, I was always disappointed with the 'lag' time of the R's. Especially after using SL's. The R6's were the worst for me. Agree with you Rob, the winder/motor did seem to improve that a bit though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_jovic Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 The R4 is not particularly slow but neither is it blisteringly fast. I have a Canon EOS 1V which I know is faster than my R8 or R4 but I have never considered the R8 or R4 to be slow in any case. JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maestro logos Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 Tested again. It doesn't feel slower than the Canon, Contax, and Pentax SLRs that I used to have. I do think the down stroke of the mirror is loud though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTC Photography Posted June 15, 2004 Share Posted June 15, 2004 Due to the need to close down the aperture diaphram and lift up the mirror, reflex camera has a bit lag as compare to RF camera<p> The nominal shutter delay of Leica R4 was specified not to exceed 40 ms. Any lag longer than that calls for a CLA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_chow Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 The R4's shutter lag time is just average. Not being scientific, if you try the other brands' flag ship models, like the Canon 1v, Nikon F3, F5, Contax RTS3, Minolta 9, you will be pleasantly surprised by how fast their mirrors and shutters move. With theses cameras, all the flaps and actions will have come to a stop by the time you fully depress the shutter. By comparison, the R8 is noticeably better but still lags behind the other brands' top models. The mirror is only part of the problem because even some rangefinder cameras like the Konica RF and the Contax G1 has average shutter lag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTC Photography Posted June 16, 2004 Share Posted June 16, 2004 Any camera with focal plane shutter has much more shutter lag than camera with leave shutter, because exposure will not be complete until a slit has travel across the film plane. Horizontal traveling focal plane shutter even worst<p> Example of null delay cameas: Rolleiflex TLR, Rollei 35/35s, Minox IIIs/B/C etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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