brett_davis1 Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Not to start another film-vs.-digital debate, but this column might be of interest: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/essays/vanRiper/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay_. Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Are we going for a record here for "Most Threads Pointing To The Same Lame Article"? This is like the 3rd thread in the past few days linked to that inplausible, impossible pile of rubbish by Mr. VanWinkle, er VanRiper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis_vener_photography Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Jay, I agree with your echo chamber comment but please explain the rest of your charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett_davis1 Posted January 26, 2004 Author Share Posted January 26, 2004 I did a quick eyeball search of the forum but didn't see anything that looked like a link, so I posted it. I won't bother next time, and apologies to Jay for wasting valuable time he would no doubt otherwise spend out shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtodrick Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 JAY...JackAssedYokel!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmijo Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Brett, Don't let snipers get to you. I hadn't seen the link before your post and did find the article interesting. I myself, after not touching a view camera for twenty years, or a piece of film for two years, just recently purchased a Wista field camera and have been retraining myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno_menilli Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Brett Thanks for the link, I too had not read the article before, but found it very interesting. In many families there are members who are odd and abnoxious,ignorant and spiteful, and unfortunately we seem to have one here as well. Take no notice , and please keep posting. Regards Bruno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george_b1 Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Jay - Not everyone on the Forum has either the time, or the interest, to read every thread and then to contribute a comment or three. Give these itinerant posters a break. They obviously aren't as smart as you, nor do they have the time you have to contribute. For those inept souls whom you choose to castigate, I have only one comment: "Illigitimus nom Carborundum." Please note the singular noun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keith_merrill Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 What is exactly your agenda Jay? I mean, why is anyone who dares to think that film and digital can co-exist side by side spouting a "inplausible, impossible pile of rubbish." Do you work for a digital camera company, or maybe you have a ton of stock in one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_neuthaler Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 George: shouldn't there be a verb there? "est" perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearhead Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Here are a few of the earlier articles about this article.<p> <a href="http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=007A7d">1</a><p> <a href="http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=007BMo">2</a> Music and Portraits Blog: Life in Portugal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__jon__ Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Everybody be nice to Jay and his tender, bloated ego!!! You wouldn't want to push an unstable person over the edge, would you?? He might snap! Think of the 'Wanted' posters hanging on the wall at the police department: "Wanted: Belligerent local dentist guilty of insulting the entire membership of the Wankfondlers Country Club in Florida. Description: Short, fat, and balding. Red face emitting spittle. Last seen wearing an old but unused Billingham bag on his head, a Leica polo shirt, and much jewelry made in Solms. Beware! He is armed with two pristine M7's, but don't worry, they have NEVER had any film in them and he is not considered dangerous." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george_b1 Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Paul - After five years of Latin, I still flunked "Altar Boy 101," and the priest gently suggested that I find another way to spend Sunday mornings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald_wills Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Now wait just a minute Jon, I dont' think Jay ever claimed that he is a dentist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_kennedy2 Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 For George B., This is not meant to be picky and I'm sure there was an inadvertent typo, like I make all the time, but I believe the quote is: Illigitimus non (not nom) carborundum meaning "Don't let the bastard grind you down" one of my favorites due in part because Carborundum used to one of the major electrochemical industries in my home town, Niagara Falls NY, home of the Love Canal. Not that I would ever refer to Jay as a bastard. He is a sanity check on this forum and as I have previously stated, if he didn't exist, we would have to invent him. He is a super source of information, and when asked politely, he provides valuable support. The Leica forum, IMHO, is the best of the forums because we encompass a complete spectrum of viewpoints, and I wouldn't want it any other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken_reither1 Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 Brett, I didn�t find the article to be a pile of rubbish. Also, I missed it in earlier posts and thank you for the reference. When I got my D1x 30 months ago, I thought I had died and gone to heaven. My first prints were stunning. I thought film was dead and began selling off my film equipment. Fortunately I kept my darkroom, although it lay dark indeed for a couple of years. Then I began to think about the probable lack of permanence of digital images as storage media, formats and software change over time. And realized we�ll probably end up with a lost generation of images through changes in technology. So I went back to shooting film for my b&w, but using digital for color. I replaced the Leica I had sold, as well as my Zone VI 4x5 view camera (bought a Wista DX), and filled in with a MF, too. I keep the Leica loaded with Delta 400, the 4x5 with T-Max 400, and the D1x with fresh battery charges and lots of CF cards. And choose the best camera for the image I want to make. Yesterday, I made fiber paper b&w prints for the first time in over 10 years. Had to dust off my print washer and dry mount press. For me, digital and film are doing well side by side. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay_. Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 You people really believe that a handful of AARP'ers with 50 year old cameras (or brand-new reproductions thereof)can impact the sales of film enough to stave of its execution, and you think *I* have a big ego??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_evans4 Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 <p>Reply to Jay's post:</p><p>1. Not all film cameras are either Leicas or Leica wannabes.</p><p>2. Companies such as EfKe already seem to do fairly well in what are already niche markets (127 film, for example), so it doesn't seem obvious to me that <em>no</em> company would want to continue making 35mm film, at least for the lifetime of people reading that newspaper article.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patricks Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 well, i managed to miss earlier posting, even if i didn't find the article particularly revolutionary as it was a tale of a person doing the same as me. Selling his DSLR to go back to film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtodrick Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 It's amazing how, other than a few esoteric facts about Leica mechanicals, Jay appears to know startling little about the film industry. Lastest PMA stats for England, released in January show that, in England alone 2 million film cameras were sold in 2003. As well, worldwide single use cameras sales were up 30%. Kodak recently opened knew plants in China, expecting to sell 60 million single use cameras (each loaded with 35mm film Jay-boy) a year. You really should get out more Jay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen_w. Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 Just too much time in his local photo shop discussing and fondling gear, and taking surveys wrt pricing used gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octavio bustard Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 Ignore Jay. He'll eventually go away if nobody responds. It works for all children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__jon__ Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 >Ronald Wills Photo.net Patron, jan 26, 2004; 08:10 p.m.Now wait just a minute Jon, I dont' think Jay ever claimed that he is a dentist. Damn... one incorrect fact in my whole statement... Good eyes, Wills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__jon__ Posted January 27, 2004 Share Posted January 27, 2004 >james kennedy Photo.net Patron, jan 26, 2004; 10:15 p.m. Not that I would ever refer to Jay as a bastard. He is a sanity check on this forum and as I have previously stated, if he didn't exist, we would have to invent him. Brilliant James... "If God did not exist, we would have to create him" --Voltaire "If god did exist, we would have to banish him" --Bakunin "If Jay did not exist, someone would have to eat an immense amount of beans to generate a similar amount of bilious hot air" --Anonymous* *Found scratched on the bathroom stall wall in the Wankfondlers country club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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