shoshana Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 When I travel, I tend to take photos of gas prices, usually because the prices are so much higher than they are here at home. Now they're crazy here too! BTW ... it's possible to find gas for US$.20 less/ gallon here - this station is higher than most.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__hank_boneroneo1 Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 Sounds pretty political, gas prices in Austin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshana Posted May 9, 2004 Author Share Posted May 9, 2004 ^ Nah. Don't think it's political. We don't have the 'reformulated gas' not yet anyway. Tulsa OK prices used to be cheaper than even Austin.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_oneill Posted May 10, 2004 Share Posted May 10, 2004 Lets see. US has 5% of world population, makes 25% it's CO2 emissions. In Europe a US gallon of gas costs in Excess of $5.00 (based on 3.63 L = 1US Gallon, £0.80/L, and £1=$1.8). Would all those people be going to the office in a huge pickup or SUV if they were paying the same prices as the rest of the world ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_austin Posted May 10, 2004 Share Posted May 10, 2004 "US has 5% of world population, makes 25% it's CO2 emissions." Yes, we in the US have the world's highest productivity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam_deglmann Posted May 10, 2004 Share Posted May 10, 2004 The political ramifications of gas prices sounds like an excellent topic for a no words forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_oneill Posted May 10, 2004 Share Posted May 10, 2004 Jon, don't mistake energy inefficiency for productivity. Homes and offices I have visited in the US use so much energy you wouldn't be allowed to build them in much of Europe. The popularity of very fuel inefficient vehicles in the US - becuase of cheap fuel - is a major contribution to America's position as enviromental villain. American presidents have not signed up to treaties to reduce pollution, because it would be unpopular at home, where the "Hey we're Americans we can do what we darn well please - responsiblity is for other people" attitude reigns. And then people act surprised when they find much of the rest of the world doesn't like them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshana Posted May 10, 2004 Author Share Posted May 10, 2004 I didn't mean to start this kind of debate. Just thought it would be interesting to see gas price signs around the world. It wasn't meant as any kind of springboard to pricing, efficiency or pollution wars... So sorry. My 2 cents - There are many places in the world that are still using leaded gas - which was outlawed in the US back more than 20 years ago. Leaded gas is much more polluting than unleaded. Plus, coal fired electric plants actually put out a vast majority of US pollution. Finally, not everyone in the US or even Texas has big gas guzzling vehicles - my car gets 37 mpg on the highway, which I think is pretty darn good. So should I have TPTB delete or close this topic? Because's it's gone totally OT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_austin Posted May 10, 2004 Share Posted May 10, 2004 James: Don't mistake sarcastic humor for sincerity. Also, don't taint your attempts at objectivity with characterizations. "Enviromental villain," indeed. Per unit of fuel consumed, the US is one of the least polluting nations in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_austin Posted May 10, 2004 Share Posted May 10, 2004 James: PS: The degree to which the US consumes energy and generates pollution are way down the list of reasons why "the rest of the world doesn't like us." Political statements to the contrary, we don't much care. Hate us if you wish, but without the US, all of Europe would probably be speaking German and trading in Reichmarks right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted May 10, 2004 Share Posted May 10, 2004 Jon. The American military machine alone consumes more energy than most countries. Get your head out of the sand. What do you mean by polututing? The amount of garbage from unnecessary consumerism? Gobble gobble gobble�buy buy buy. Do a search on �e garbage china�. I dare ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_austin Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 Careful, Eric, your envy is showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_oneill Posted May 11, 2004 Share Posted May 11, 2004 <i>Per unit of fuel consumed, the US is one of the least polluting nations in the world.</i> What ? When you burn a gallon of gas it produces less co2 than when I burn one ? When a ton of coal goes into a your local power station it produces less Co2 than when it goes in my local one ? It would be an interesting trick if you could do it. <I> The degree to which the US consumes energy and generates pollution are way down the list of reasons why "the rest of the world doesn't like us."</I>. I never said it was top of the list. The "We can do whatever we like " attitude is the one that gets up people's noses. Whether that is Polution, GM crops, Middle East Policy etc<br> I think now is a not a great time for Americans to boast about their military prowess - in both conflicts in Iraq the Americans killed more British troops than the Iraqis did. But before you come out with "without us you'd all be speaking German", check your history by the time the Americans entered both World Wars, Germany was not making any progress. Anyway fwiw I don't hate Americans, I'm English I have more local nations to hate :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garry_paterson Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 I trust you are not referring to us north of Hadrians wall Mr O'neil!! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_austin Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 Back to James O'Neill: "When you burn a gallon of gas it produces less co2 than when I burn one?" Quite possibly. Newer vehicles burn gasoline more efficiently than older vehicles. Since US residents (with their evil penchant for consumption) probably drive newer vehicles, on average, than the peoples in most other nations, we pollute less per gallon of gas consumed. Likewise for all other fossil fuel consumption: our emissions standards are quite strict. "The 'We can do whatever we like' attitude is the one that gets up people's noses." ... and it's probably the most popular misrepresentation of the American spirit that exists. "... in both conflicts in Iraq the Americans killed more British troops than the Iraqis did." Even if this is true, what's your point? "... check your history by the time the Americans entered both World Wars, Germany was not making any progress." Hmmm, sounds like the revisionist British historians have been busy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanb Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 Huge crop from full frame 35mm. Heard on the news today that somewhere here in the UK is charging £5/gallon (UK) - or about $7/gallon US.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 James, ignore the troll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taner Posted May 13, 2004 Share Posted May 13, 2004 no gas, just grass <p><img src="http://www3.sympatico.ca/askintaner/photonet_post/no-gas- just-grass.jpg"></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_oneill Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 Me: "When you burn a gallon of gas it produces less co2 than when I burn one?" <br> Jon: Quite possibly. Newer vehicles burn gasoline more efficiently than older vehicles. Since US residents (with their evil penchant for consumption) probably drive newer vehicles, on average, than the peoples in most other nations. <br> More efficient combustion actually means you get more carbon Dioxide - (C02) and less carbon monoxide (CO) and unburnt hydrocarbons. Modern vehicles use less fuel per mile travelled, but Americas penchant for using trucks and off road Vehicles on the "Hey we're Americans why not" argument, drives up consumption. <p> As for the history of the second world war. Check the date America entered, and have a look at German progress in the few months before that. <p> 'bout time one of us contributed a picture. <br> <a href="http://www.cafeshops.com/warposter"><img src="http://homepage.mac.com/leperous/.Pictures/carclub.jpg></a> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_oneill Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 "></a> <a href="http://www.cafeshops.com/warposter"><img src="http://homepage.mac.com/leperous/.Pictures/carclub.jpg"></a> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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