What is NAS?

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by lake_0571, Nov 8, 2005.

  1. I sometimes read/heard this phrase but am always wondering,is it
    something of a disease?
  2. Heh, it's "Nikon Acquisition Syndrome", means that you collect unrational amounts of Nikon equipment.
  3. ShunCheung

    ShunCheung Administrator

    It certainly is a disease. :)
  4. Come to a twelve step meeting. We'll let you know the time, location and date.

  5. There are NAS Chapters in most major cities. It's a condition that gives new meaning to the term pandemic.
  6. Painful to my wallet
  7. It&#146;s delightful, it&#146;s totally benign.<br>
    Dave Hartman<br>
    NAS is not evil; NAS is good! (sm)
  8. NAS is a disease that sometimes leads to another disease known as NLS ("Nikon Liquidation Syndrome").
  9. If you find yourself already looking forward to the DnX and Dn00, you have it bad.

    PS: the Dxx filter is a real hoot... somebody has too much time on their hands. :)
  10. In order to qualify for help you need to have more bodies than your two hands & two feet can operate at one time. Also helps if you have 3 or more versions of a 50mm lens, multiples of the same extension tubes, more flashes than connecting cords (minus slaves), more than one issue of the Nikon compendium ...

    Also - if you wake up the next morning & are not sure why all does not seem right ... perhaps you bid on too many film bargains on ebay last night & it's very important to wait until the third cup of coffee before you look to see if you won them all ...

    Lastly - there is never buyers remorse - all is good :)

    Lucky for me I have two sons and one daughter I can either give items to or always sell if need be. Waiting for my other daughter to get caught in the mix:)

    Best part of NAS whether you are male or female is that the next morning you don't wonder "what was I thinking?" You simply smile & are glad that you don't suffer from LAS which would be the Leica version:)

    If you ever feel a need to be cured then start craving a digital back for a medium format camera - does not always work but it's a start!
  11. "Also helps if you have 3 or more versions of a 50mm lens"

    Argh! That's not encouraging. Does buying a brand new 50mm lens to replace a used one mean that I'm indeed "infected"? :)
  12. Eric:

    That would be two altogether - however - if you cannot part with the used one you may be at risk
  13. You have NAS if:<p>
    1)You have to have all the variants of something to be satisfied that you've got the best one.<p>If you don't have all the variants of something, you wonder if you're missing out. Nikon wouldn't make that variant if it weren't so great, would they?<p>e.g.: I've tried out the 45mm f/2.8 P, 50mm f/1.2, 50mm f/1.4, 50mm f/1.8AI, 50mm f/1.8 Series E, 55mm f/2.8 Micro, 60mm f/2.8 Micro. Yet, I've never tried out the 50mm f/2. Wonder what that's like? Hmmmmm....<p>2) You start to have items sent to your work, or a PO box so that the supreme boss (aka spouse) won't find out you've spent more money on camera gear.<p>3) You start sneaking all the credit card statements out of the mail so she doesn't see all the "Paypal" items in there.<p>4) B&H knows you by name.<p>Unfortunately, she found out. So, then I had a run of NLS (Nikon Liquidation Syndrome), and now I can't buy any more :-(
  14. Robert:

    Meet me by the 55 gallon drum with the fire behind the utilities building on main street - I can set you up ...

    10:30 ?
  15. Robert - you HAVE to make sure that some of the packages coming in the door contain perfume or jewellery. Works for me anyway. As long as she doesn't get Hermes Acquisition Syndrome...

    Regards, Ross
  16. Hi Lee.

    Actually, I had three 50mm variants until recently. I sold off the 50mm f/1.4, then I sold off my used 50mm f/1.2 in order to finance a brand new 50mm f/1.2 :) I still have my 50mm f/2, so that makes 2 alltogether.
  17. ky2


    The 7 levels of NAS:

    (Level 1)
    You've set your mind on a Nikkor 50/1.8 AFD, but ended up buying that *and* the 50/1.4 AFD, because you heard it was better.

    (Level 2)
    Graduating from Level 1, you've sold the 50/1.8 AFD, because you heard it was made in China. Shortly after, you picked up the 50/1.8 AF version, which was made in Japan.

    (Level 3)
    Realizing your error, you buy the 50/1.8 AFD (Chinese version), just so you could compare it against your 50/1.8 AF version. You end up keeping both.

    (Level 4)
    You're starting to wonder how the AF Nikkors stack against the manual focus AIS bretherns. You buy the 50/1.4 AIS, and 50/1.8 AIS derivatives. You keep all 4 50's.

    (Level 5)
    Just to be sure, you add the 50/1.4 AI, 50/1.8 AI and 50/2 AI, because they can be bought for peanuts. The 45/2.8P, 55 Micro Nikkors (3.5 and 2.8 version), 60/2.8 AFD join the arsenal.

    (Level 6)
    You got to have faster glass. You first purchase the 50/1.2, then the 55/1.2, and then the 58/1.2 Noct Nikkor. You spend sleepless nights photographing brick walls, Financial Times double spreads, and USAF resolution charts. You contemplate which filters, hoods, and close up accessories best complement each lens.

    (Level 7)
    You apply all earlier levels to any Nikkor out there, F-mount to Large format.
  18. Thanks for all your advices.

    Now I know NAS is not a disease but a symdrome,yet a delightful one:)

    Cure me of this symdrome looking for 70~180 up hill and down dale the world over.
  19. Don't stop looking for a 70-180. I got mine in the first month that B&H had them and they really are worth looking for. I think reasonable quality examples are now selling at around 150% of the new price. Mine is NOT for sale.

    Regards, Ross
  20. Lake 0571,<p>Keep looking for that 70-180. It's TRULY A CLASSIC! Mine's not for sale either!<p>I thought B&H had some gray market ones for sale?
  21. NAS, well, you have to earn at least a middle class income to be in danger of getting one. Another good news is that photographers rarely get infected.
  22. ShunCheung

    ShunCheung Administrator

    Another good news is that photographers rarely get infected.
    I certainly feel that is the case. I suppose no one is a pure photographer or a pure camera collector, but those who have NAS are more collectors than photographers. I for one never worry about minute differences among various 50mm lenses or 85mm lenses. In fact, in 28 years of using Nikon cameras, I have never owned any 50mm Nikkor lens, or, for that matter, any prime between 36 to 104mm.
  23. How virtuous, Shun. Now that you and Pawel have made a broad generalization based on no facts, we can all go home.

  24. For my kinda photography, any 50mm does the trick. But I went to buy some film at a local store, saw this (clean glass) 55mm/3.5 comp. ap. lens for $30 Canadian bucks...what can I do? 30 bucks man! I had to get that one...u call that NAS?
  25. >"How virtuous, Shun. Now that you and Pawel have made a broad generalization based on no facts, we can all go home. "

    Conni, isn't this all about making general statements like that and having some fun with it!? One thing internet can be pretty bad at is gathering real facts. :)
  26. ShunCheung

    ShunCheung Administrator

    Conni, I was merely expressing my opinion, which is not necessarily right or wrong. Apparently you disagree, and feel free to express yours. That is no need to attack me personally.

    I, for one, usually cannot tell whether an image is shot with a 50mm/f1.2, 1.4, 1.8 or 2 or whether it is the optics is from the AI-S or AF version, or for that matter shot with a lens from some exotic brand or not. However, it is usually easy to tell the difference between a really good photographer from an average one. If one's objective is to produce high-quality images, there is no doubt in my mind that one should spend their effort on imporving their photographic skills.

    Moreover, as long as you can afford it, IMO there is nothing wrong being an equipment collector and/or focusing on equipment differences. As I said, there is probably at least a bit of that in every one of us. However, I myself am a photographer first and my interest in equipment is always secondary.
  27. I have several 105mm focal length nikkors. All are different and each serve a different purpose. I have heard about *NAS* only here. I know real collectors who have real collectible (rare and expensive) lenses and gear.

    What is claimed as NAS here is NFAS, IMO. (F = Forum).

    Shakil- The cap on that micronikkor is almost worth the price you paid for it!
  28. Buying more 50 mm lenses is relatively harmless compared with owning 6 f/2.8 telezooms, two 300 mm lenses, a 500 mm and thinking about buying a 200-400/4.

    So I would consider myself free of NAS if I were you, Shun!
  29. Meant "would not" in the last sentence, of course.

    Me, I only have two 50s, two 35s and two 105s but other focal lengths I only have one copy of. :)
  30. ShunCheung

    ShunCheung Administrator

    Well, my real problem is that I am slow in selling old lenses that I don't use any more. My 70-200mm/f2.8 VR has clearly replaced the 80-200mm/f2.8 AF-S. Actually, with the holiday season coming, I should sell off a couple of lenses through the classifies section.
  31. The 50 f/1.2 and 50 f/1.4 have clear signatures when shot wide open. You can spot these lenses very easily. The 45 f/2.8 P also has a clear impression made by its steep light fall-off when shot wide open. Stop any of these lenses down, and they look pretty much like one another. After trying out all of the above, I've kept the 50 f/1.2 and 50 f/1.8. All other lenses, I only have one copy of (except that the 70-180 overlaps my 105 f/2.8 and 180 f/2.8, but then again these primes look different from the Micro Nikkor).<p>I'm not sure into which of Pawel & Shun's categories that puts me into.
  32. ShunCheung

    ShunCheung Administrator

    Robert, put it this way, you might notice that I rarely participate in your threads comparing lenses of the same or similar focal lengths, but I respect you as a photographer because you have demonstrated that you shoot very good building interior images.
  33. I am a photographer first and a collector not at all. But life is a photographic feast and I have not limited myself to just one or two genres. I shoot travel, documentary, macro, portraits, events and all of it interests me. If I only shot one thing, I might make do with a couple of lenses but since it's real hard to get a good macro with a 300 AFS, I have a broad range so I can get the best when I do go out to shoot. Otherwise, why bother?

    I shoot about 800+ rolls of film a year and have a dSLR and a digital P&S, so I hardly fall into the category of someone who has a lot of cameras and lenses to sit around and look at.

  34. Shun:

    I didn't attack you personally. I voiced my opinion of your generalization that those of us who manage to have options in our lenses are not likely to be photographers but collectors. That's what you wrote.

    Had I said "Shun, you're an idiot for saying that those of us who live pleasantly with NAS are not photographers but collectors," then you could say I attacked you personally. I did no such thing and nothing I said can be construed as a personal attack.

  35. Acronym for Naval Air Station. As for example, Willow Grove NAS, located not far from my home and slated for closing soon.
  36. 70-180 micronikkor zoom never went out of stock in Europe. Yes, it is a current offering from Nikon and has not been discontinued.
  37. There goes David Hartman's contention! Dan, NAS is redundant?
  38. I currently own a 55 f/3.5 Micro that was my dad's; a 50 f/1.4 ais; a 105 f/2 AF DC ...; 180 f/2.8 AF; 300 f/2.8 AF-I along with 2 F5's.

    Over the years I have probably owned a good 30 or more Nikkors & a number of bodies. At this point I only keep what I need & does it for me. If I want to shoot wider or larger format I will use my Wisner 4x5 w/80 Macro, 90 & 180 lenses & a Mamiya 6 w/50 & 75 lenses.

    Different formats & lenses for different needs.

    Between my son & I we tend to acquire items of interest & at good prices & use them - if they are not what we like then we simply sell them. A good trade-off & cheaper than renting which we don't have the option of doing here.

    As a reference point I will check Bjorn's site for opinions & there are a number of lenses that I would like to someday try using even if for a short while. There have been no surprises with any of his opinions thus far & I appreciate his site & his work for what he does.

    When I see a great lens for a great price it's hard to resist. I usually do but sometimes will give it a go to see if I like it or not.

    With regards to an earlier post or two about photographers as opposed to collectors - a bit broad of a statement I feel & not an accurate point as there are countless shooters using a lot of equipment. I'm guessing that I own less Nikon equipment at this point in time than a lot of posters here.

    Connie: Can I interest you in a used F100 for a great price? I will only sell to you if you plan on using it as I will refuse to sell to anyone who may not actually use it & put it in a cabinet. Since I know you are a photographer I feel it's okay to consider selling to you:)
  39. Lee, What can the F100 do with manual lenses that my F2 can not? Good decision to sell, I guess.
  40. ShunCheung

    ShunCheung Administrator

    Conni, I am afraid that you are mixing up different issues. As Ilkka points out, I have accumulated quite a few Nikkor lenses over 28 years myself, although Ilkka is good at exaggerating my collection, but that is another topic. Exactly like you, every lens I buy serves a different purpose and enhances my photography. For example, the 300mm/f4 is good as a travel companion with the 500mm/f4 while the 300mm/f2.8 is better on its own with telecovertors. I have both because there is a significant weight and size difference between the two. Depending on the nature of the trip, I bring different lenses. IMO that is not NAS.

    One has NAS if one frequently has "lens envy" (or camera body envy)and feels compelled to buy more and more continuously. And one needs to study trivial differences among lenses. There is not necessarily wrong with having NAS, but if one's primary interest is photography itself rather than the tools, you really shouldn't have NAS, at least not serious NAS.

    In particular, given current airline luggage restrictions, it is counter-productive to have too much equipment. For those of us who like to travel to remoate places, that is a very good reason not to buy and carry too much.
  41. If anyone wants to buy a Xero-Nikkor 135mm f/2 lens, let me know.
  42. Sorry, Lee, but I hve an F100. It was never a camera I wanted particularly, but my only F5 (at that time) went in for repair and I expected it to be gone for awhile. I was about to leave on a road trip and I didn't want to be without a really good camera so I went down and bought the F100. It's a very nice camera, but it didn't get to go on the orad trip because they got my F5 in 5 days. I was amazed. I have used the F100 because it's a really nice camera and suits better than the F5 or F6 and I see no reason to sell it and take a loss. I might give it to someone one of these days.

    Right now, there isn't anything I want and I fear remission or cure. I looked at the new offerings and nothing really moved me. Ah, well -- maybe it will grow on me.

  43. Vivek, Willow Grove NAS has been declared redundant. So have some others. I don't know about the others, but the State of Pennsylvania is fighting the decision to close Willow Grove very hard.
  44. Dan, Sorry to hear that. Times are changing. Anything too specialized (like 35mm slr gear) becomes redundant.
  45. Aaah, reminds me of the loss of Alameda NAS in CA several years ago. In
    terms of the other NAS, I only wish my wallet would allow it. I'm a syndrome
    wanna b'er, ha.
  46. ky2


    Conni, NAS is a blessing :) not a curse :)

    Then-again, some people would never cross over to a different brand that does not offer its own mutation of NAS.
  47. OK - I have a lot of equipment but I can part with them, I think. I never thought I had NAS, but who determines the definition?

    Oh, if anyone wants to buy my 70-180mm micro zoom (excellent condition), feel free to give me an offer.
  48. Hey man, glad to learn that! The other side of the cap says:
    J.U.M. 515,897
    What does J.U.M. stands for?
  49. Shakil,

    The 55/3.5 that you bought is the old compensating aperture version. It&#146;s a dog at infinity and excellent close up. Bjorn Rorslett list this lens in his Best of the Best : A not-too-serious compilation of the best Nikkor lenses. It&#146;s the only 55mm Micro-Nikkor he list there.

    This lens will not fit Nikon AI type cameras with fixed plastic aperture coupling levers like the FM2n, FE2, F5, F100 and D2H (also D2X). It will fit these if the originally supplied accessory M tube is used. The M tube has a beveled edge at the rear and clears all the aperture coupling levers on the cameras listed above by about 1mm. This will allow the lens to be used at image ratios of 1:2 to 1:1. Stop down metering via the DOF preview is available on all but the F100 and D2H (& D2X I would think).

    If image ratios of 1:10 to 1:2 are desired the lens can be installed on all of these with the use of the 5.8mm K1 Ring which is a part of the Nikon K-Ring Set, about $30.00 to $50.00 (USD). The Nikon E2 tube will also fit all the camera above. The E2 tube features a manual maximum aperture plunger that can be fitted with a Nikon AR-2 cable release if desired.

    The E2 and M tubes can be &#147;chipped&#148; for matrix metering and color matrix metering on cameras that support this. If you don&#146;t mind some fiddling you can use the Shooting Menu, Non-CPU Lens Data and Exposure Compensation features on the D2H, D2X and I think the D200 to obtain color matrix metering. That's right, color matrix metering on an unmodified vintage 1965 to 1969 lens.

    If using flash with a flash meter you can focus on the meter&#146;s receptor, domed or flat, pop an open flash and read the f/stop and set it. At apertures of f/5.6 and smaller there is no need to use compensation for light loss as the lens does this for you. Exposure this way is dead on. Compensation with slide film may be desired for very light or dark subjects just as one would use with subjects at normal shooting distance.

    Here is an image showing the 55/3.5 Micro-Nikkor Auto (CA version) with the originally supplied accessory M tube.


    DO NOT have this lens *AI(ed) unless it is one that can be according to Nikon and only with the appropriate original Nikon AI kit. See Roland Vink&#146;s site for the kit number and Bjorn Rorslett&#146;s site for information on why not to have it *AI(ed).
    Here are some links you may find of interest...



    Here is a link to the manual for your lens...


    All the 55/3.5 and the 55/2.8 Micro-Nikkors are great lenses. My favorites are the 55/3.5 Micro-Nikkor Auto (CA version) and the 55/2.8 AIS Micro-Nikkor.

    I recommend that you collect them all!


    Dave Hartman.
  50. Thanks for the nice summary, Dave! Actually, after getting the lens, I did some research, and have already acquired most of these info from your (and others') previous posts :). The manual was really helpful explaining a lot of things. Also, if you can recall, previously I did a quick and dirty job chipping an M2-tube (using super-glue ;-)) to use with my 180mm lens (was too chicken to convert the PN-11). I don't have any intention to AI-convert this lens, as both of my manual focus bodies can handle this lens (FE/F3HP). Also I am experimenting with the chipped M2-tube and the 55mm on my chepo F75. So, what does J.U.M. stands for? Thanks again!

    Bought a 2nd 70-200 to compare samples. Hope it doesn't spread to 200-400 or trouble will be a brewin.
  52. Just got back to this long thread. Shakil, could you post a picture of the inside of the cap?

    J.U.M.? Beats me!
  53. Vivek, I will do that sometime soon (currently no digi & no scanner, so will have to go to the friend's house to do that :-0).
  54. I thought it stood for NEED ANOTHER SYSTEM! In other words, you start out with, say, a
    Pentax camera or a Point & Shoot camera, and you want to take better pictures, so you get
    a Canon system and invest a lot of money in camera bodies and lenses and every
    accessory for everything, then you start to think that maybe the reason your pictures
    aren't so great is that you are not using Leica glass, so you invest a lot more money in
    Leica bodies and their fabled glass, then you start to realize that if you invested the same
    money in a Zeiss system, you could afford a many more prime lenses, so you get a whole
    Zeiss system (rangefinder or Contax, you try both), then you read on photo.net that it's the
    size of the image negative that counts, so you start buying medium format gear (since it's
    so cheap right now), but then you want to share pictures (and you realize that you really
    do need auto focus and matrix metering after all) so you invest in an entire new Nikon
    digital system....
  55. Help! It's got to me. I'm afflicted with NAS. I've got 3 lenses of the "normal" focal length.

    What would Nikon do without us?
  56. NAS.... it's a love hate thing.
  57. :)))))

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