stephan_kirsch Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 <p>If I take pictures of things such as vehicles or buildings with a visible logo (vehicle badges, business signage, e.g.) or person, would I need any sort of permissions to sell those pictures, primarily as digital images to end users for personal non-business use? if a logo is not visible, but the object's design is clearly unique to a specific brand, but not necessarily a logo (the distinctive grill of a BMW, for example or even just the shape of a car), would that still apply if there is such a restriction?<br>Could the logo be blurred or Photoshopped out if it does cause copyright issues? </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annamayer Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 <p>Yes. You would need a property release, similar to a model release.<br> http://www.alamy.com/customer/help/releases.asp</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_h.1 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 <blockquote> <p>Yes. You would need a property release, similar to a model release.</p> </blockquote> <p>That's overly broad (especially for personal non third party selling use). Since the line where permission is needed is so murky, it is the safe way to go however. As to images where there are incidental designs of objects seen, there is even less need and the industry would be much different that it actually is if there were a blanket requirement for permission. It may be needed, however, in some situations such as those involving copyright protected sculpture and the occasional IP protected properties.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danmarchant Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 <blockquote> <p>Yes. You would need a property release, similar to a model release.<br /><a href="http://www.alamy.com/customer/help/releases.asp" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.alamy.com/customer/help/releases.asp</a></p> </blockquote> <p>That link relates to commercial use (as in advertising/promotion/marketing of a service, product, company or cause). The OP isn't selling images for commercial use. </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_henderson Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 <p>I'm not sure what personal non-business use is. Many websites have an objective of selling-or trying to sell- something. And I'm struggling to work out why someone might want to pay to use an image if there is no commercial angle- maybe to make a print? or illustrate the interior of a book they're writing? <br> I do know as a stock agency contributor that I'm told to get rid of all logo, serial numbers, number-plate markings and so on. Equally I know that there are some products/buildings where even a hint, without a logo, is regarded by agencies as a no-no. In other cases its less of an issue if the item concerned is not a dominant part of the scene, or if you have a property release. Clearly these agencies have legal support which tends to result in their creative staff- often young and not terribly knowledgeable- being too conservative, but the point here is that its the worst possible scenario for you and your potential customers - sometimes a real problem; sometimes not, and hard to tell which without specific knowledge and research. I doubt whether you could give your customers categoric reassurance that they would not be in trouble with a copyright holder or property owner. </p> <p>But as I said at the outset, you might have a "market" here that's easy to define in words but in practical terms is much harder to find. </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Taylor Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 <p>If it's not for commercial use, then don't worry about logos. I have to get rid of all the logos on my stock images that are sold through Getty etc, but otherwise I don't worry about it. </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephan_kirsch Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 <p>To clarify "personal non-business use", it would mean a digital image, be it a car, historic building or celebrity; which the end user could print out for his or her use, i.e. home decor, or pictures I print out and sell for the same purpose.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danmarchant Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 <p>The easiest way to think about it is....<br> If the product you are selling is that actual image (a print of a person/product) or a digital file for someone to make a print to put on their wall - no release is required.<br> If the image is being used to sell some other product then the person using it needs a model release or a release from the brand owner.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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