dottie_cain Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 The September issue of PC World rates the Nikon D70s # 4 behind the Canon EOS 20D,Canon EOS Digital Rebel XT, and the Olympus EVolt E- 300. They rate the D70s image quality as only fair. Are these first 3 rated cameras that much beter than the Nikon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armando_roldan Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 It PC World a camera review magazine or a computer review magazine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaius1 Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 No, it just means that Canon and Olympus spend more on ads in PC World. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary_watson Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Since when was PC World "canonical"(sic)in such matters??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_kleimen Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 They also reviewed the D50 in the same issue. It rates the image quality of the D50 as "brighter & had livelier color" than the D70s. It stated that the D70s is "biased toward underexposure by default". What's with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry n. Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 PC World feels they can review anything that's remotely connected to computers. I am waiting for their review of the Space Shutte Discovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_kleimen Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 I was hoping to see subjective evaluations of D Cains posting from this forum, not uninformed comic remarks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palouse Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 And let's not forget, Outdoor Photographer reviews, socks, shoes and boots, jackets, bug spray, Jeeps ®, trail food, and a whole host of merchandise! I guess PC World and OP desire to be Consumer Reports wannabees! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorgen_udvang Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 The problem is that PC World and other computer magazines view digital cameras as computer accessories. It's much easier to count the number of options and megapixels than do a proper evaluation of picture quality and ergonomics. The danger is that, as more and more specialist shops die, the shops selling cameras view them as computer accessories also. Not long until we see a camera with "Intel Inside" and "Windows Compatible" labels I suppose. Shrug... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erickpro Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Guys, the Olympus actually gives great results, personally I think I like the E-1 more than the Nikon 70. Do you guys have all cameras to compare them? If you don't, then why do you complain people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kf0gg Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 If there is all this argument about which Digital has better image quality its time to stick with film cameras where the only major contributing factor is the lens being used. Change films to get the qualities, and color rendering you want. Also with all the hoop de do about digital image quality,who cares, put it in photoshop and fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee hamiel Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 A couple of comments: The 20D is a great camera - my son who owns a number of Nikon lenses opted for it and has had nothing but great results. We are a predominately Nikon family but the results are what count in the end - plus the 20D is a bit more than the D70s but had Nikon released their filed trademark 2**D by now that would have been the choice. Using a Nikon to EOS adaptor he can use all of his Nikkors as well as the Canon lenses. With respect to a "non photographic" entity reviewing cameras, grills & whatever - we have to remember that most of us on here are passionate about all the nuances relating to photography - for the masses - they want a "KISS" approach as in keep it simple stupid & for most they want a pick it up & use it regardless of the results - they don't want endless menus, etc. & nowadays with higher MP dslr's cameras being within the reach of a lot of people they want quick opinions. If it's a a result of Olympus or Canon spending more on advertising ... Nikon knows how the game is played but I feel the reviewers are simply non-photo people who pick up a camera, look at the manual or not & see if they can use it & how user friendly it is along with cost. May as well throw Konica-Minolta into the mix as well. I'm just glad Nikon's doing really well now & the latest financial news is good for their future. Now ... where is the D2** so we can go between a D2x & a D70s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourfa Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 "biased toward underexposure by default" that's been true of my D70. not by much, but enough that the exposure comp button is my most-pressed button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaius1 Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 It is more accurate to say that the D70 is biased towards preserving highlight detail by default - i.e. it behaves more like slide film. The reviewer who wrote that it underexposes either a) has only used negative film and/or b) expects to get perfect pictures out of a DSLR without any post-processing - neither of those make him or her well-suited to reviewing any kind of photography product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott ream Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 When is Shutterbug going to start reviewing desktop PC's :) They are likely all great cameras. Yes my D70 seems to try to preserve highlights. I comp down a little when shooting outdoors as I can always lighten up later. Colors? Haven't noticed any problems there. Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lex_jenkins Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 From the time it was introduced right up until this spring (2005) most computer magazines I looked at that reviewed digital cameras rated the D70 ahead of all the Canon dSLRs at roughly the same price point, including the 20D. Some computer magazines are barely competent at providing information of any real value about computing. Who cares what they think about digital cameras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kai_griffin Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 Lex said it best: it doesn't matter what a computer magazine has to say about a photographic product! I once pointed out in a post here that C|NET had given a so-so review of a film scanner, and was promptly (and correctly) made to see the meaninglessness of their review from a photographer's perspective. While some people might buy a camera on the basis of a review in a PC magazine, I'm sure none of those people are here on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lex_jenkins Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 Ditto, Kai. I seem to recall a negative PC mag/website review of a scanner specifically intended for photographers because the scanner wasn't very useful as a fax/copier/daquiri mixer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShunCheung Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 Ok, got the September 2005 issue of Consumer Reports yesterday. They too rated a bunch of DSLRs in the article with the title: <I>Digital SLR cameras, the choice for advanced photographers</I>. Their rating is in this order although the difference among the top 4 is very small: (1) Canon EOS Rebel XT (best), (2) KM Maxxum 7D, (3) Nikon D70, (4) Canon 20D .... <P> I read Consumer Reports for a lot of reviews, but I take their camera reviews with a grain of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhi_da_zhong Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Well, I think most readers of non-photography magazines, etc. just want bright, colorful, and sharp-looking pictures right out of the camera. So for them, the approach of those reviews -- as long as they're done honestly -- are just what they need. They don't need or want discussions of stuff like custom tone curves vs exposure compensation on the D70. People who care about such nuances can ask about them on photo.net. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhi_da_zhong Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Similarly, to most camera users (and some photographers), differences in operational efficiency are not that important. And differences in ergonomics may not become obvious until you've used the camera intensely for long hours -- not something most casual photographers do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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