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todd frederick

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Hi Todd...long time! That'd be me for one.

 

In the last 7 years of being here, I've made, with photography, well under $2,000 (two thousand) probably, in total. In the last year, I've spent well over $20,000 (twenty thousand) and in the last 7 years, probably over $50,000. When I started coming round these parts, it was very different. There were pros around, obviously, great ones too! but I don't even believe you COULD subscribe formally for the first few years I started. Needless to say, I've considered it many times, and indeed when I've been in a flurry of postings, I even feel guilty that I've not. But I wouldn't consider it (paying) NOW, i.e., in the last few years, unless a couple of things happened, largely a complete removal of the anonymous rating. Why? Because the last thing I want to do is pay for a service that therefore leaves me wanting to tell people, friends etc. possibly clients, to come here and take a look at my work, only to have them see a bunch of anonymous 1s, 2s and 3s on what to me should be a very important photo in my portfolio.

 

If you had to be logged in, and you had to show your name and even maybe if ALL ratings required a blurb by the rater, I think the whole game would change, and I for one would sign up immediately, most likely.

 

I don't hold off because of any sort of spite, I come from a time when it wasn't about money. I also come from a place in the last couple of years of wanting to MAKE money, with photography, and if/when that happens, my attitude would of course be different. You certainly owe those who help you when you are in a position to pay back. As it stands, I have $15,000 in loans to pay for what is essentially a hobby as I am not yet generating income, and when you think in those terms, suddenly it's not about $20 or $25, it's about a number much much bigger, and growing...

 

I also think there are far too many idiots hanging around these days to want to consider locking myself into a membership and then having no say 'wow, that was a mistake' if the whole thing blows up.

 

It's DEFINITELY worth making subscription manditory after 30 days, or you get the boot. That would make pdn most likely gain back a lot of the community feel it used to have. I would certainly subscribe then myself especially at the current rates. It's never been about a huge stack of photos, I have my own server...the community is what makes the site most valuable to me. And that is where it fails the most these last years, both in the gallery/critiques and in the fora themselves.

 

A bit of a noodling post, sorry, but hopefully it makes a little sense. I know it has 2 points of view...oh well...

 

Shawn

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Just my opinion, this site has great forum (free!) but too many weaknesses in other areas (too many to list here) to pay for.

So why would I pay for something I'm not using if I'm getting for free what I come for (this is a retorical question, moderators don't need to answer)?

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charging for subscriptions is detrimental to the community because it makes people feel entitled to anonymous screen names and mud-slinging. One I had decided to tear down the subscription system and charge people instead for disk space (photodb storage)

 

P Greenspun on another thread

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>>Jeez, we are talking about $25, not testicles...

 

$25 IS testicles for someone like me...every spent $6,000 on a computer only to realize you still need to spend $1,500 more on RAM before you can even turn it on?...and all it is right now is so you can run Photoshop and make pretty panoramics and (sp)grandiosly-conceived 'art' which probably no one will like anyways?

 

Suddenly you see every penny when you're dumb enough to be a digital ameteur...with aspirations...and no 'PhD' beside your name/title. Almost makes you want to try and make some money with your photography to cover your costs...sigh...

 

(This post is meant in light-heartedly, for those who think I'm bitching...)

 

Shawn

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It is my hope that there will be no subscriber/non-subscriber divide soon. People who use up a lot of server resources with big files in the photodb will be asked to pay for their storage/bandwidth. People who contribute useful assistance to other members in the discussion forums, and stand behind those postings with their real name, will not be asked to pay.

 

I don't worry about those who have never subscribed. I worry about those who have never contributed anything useful.

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Never contributed anything useful, eh? I wish people would quit talking about me like that.

 

Oh, and if this is supposed to be a place where folks can learn, it may be a while before useful contribution takes place. I guess we'll need a time limit for enrollees to become useful, or cash in their chips.

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I hope it is only an anomaly, but I can no longer access my posting history, nor that of other

non subscribers. I don't post work(no bandwidth) but do feel I contribute. If I can no longer

access my history, what is the point?-- as I can no longer follow things easily.

 

Now, how will I ever find the answer to this?

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"...and stand behind those postings with their real name, will not be asked to pay."

 

Several members gave valid reasons in a since-deleted post as to why they do not use their "real name." I'll save you the trouble of coming up with yet-another defense of your position on this subject by offering the analogy of having an unlisted phone number. We have to pay for that right to privacy, as well.

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