New Mirrorless King? Hasselblad X1D Announced

Discussion in 'Mirrorless Digital Cameras' started by eric_arnold, Jun 23, 2016.

  1. I like Ming Thein's writing. I bought his first camera bag design and I use it all the time. His ideas he poured into that bag and the execution make it a unique piece of kit. I also bought a tripod ball head he recommended. I've been reading up on the X1D the last few days as I am a dyed in the wool Nikon guy but looking for something lighter that travels more easily without giving up the quality. Maybe a forced shooting style with just a 45 mm lens is the way to go ... I wish I could try an X1D for a day and see what it feels like.
     
  2. This is an interesting camera and does seem to invite the possibility at least of outdoor photography with it. But whether or not you'll ever see one at sporting events will depend entirely on one tiny little detail -- it will require fast long telephotos for it to compete with the other camera/lens combinations currently used at sporting events. And I suspect fast, long telephotos will cost at least as much as the X1D will.
     
  3. King of size and price or at least a Prince.

    A camera which a King or Prince would be very pleased with along with....the diamond incrusted watch etc. Might buy one;))

    Unless you are going to do gigantic murals or a very serious pixel peeper just what is the point of it.
     
  4. Exactly. That's one of the reasons why I still shoot film. Especially medium format.
     
  5. Anyone who wants to drop that much on a camera is likely to go with a Leica and a pair of lenses. And honestly, anyone who takes a 10k camera out of the studio is rich, dumb or both.
     
  6. $10K is a low hurdle for many kits in common use, at least at retail prices. A single long Nikon lens can top $12K. I carried an used Hasselblad and 3 or 4 used lenses and a new digital back outside for 10 years. I'm neither rich nor dumb [sic, refers to non-speaking, not synonymous with "stupid'). I've even read a few books without pictures and stayed at an Holiday Inn Express.
     
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  7. " A single long Nikon lens can top $12K"Ed

    Designed for a purpose not to see how many pixels you can fit on a pinhead..

    "I carried an used Hasselblad and 3 or 4 used lenses and a new digital back outside for 10 years "Ed

    Everyone Ed is not a rich person and has read a book and once stayed in well...one of those places... so there. .

    Could not resist,, Ed :))
     
  8. You're right, Ed_Ingold. I've never carried 10k in gear around but a Leica M6 with a 35mm something-cron weighs in at about half that and I've carried that kit around endlessly. For me (not rich or dumb but I'm not always correct either) $10k is more than I'd spend on a camera and far more than I'd spend on a walk-around camera. That said, the baseline price for a consumer camera seems to be $1,000, body only. When I started it was $400 for a new Nikon FM2. Which I still have! :D
     
  9. My interest lies in landscapes and pictorials, which is quite different than yours, based on your portfolio, which tends toward street photography and the human condition. You need speed, discretion and portability, I'm looking for detail and control. My Hasselblad has, at various times, been mistaken for a video camera (black and on a tripod), even a view camera (compendium shade has a bellows), but no matter. My subjects are inanimate, aren't camera shy and don't complain if I take too long setting up the shot.

    Landscapes have long been the domain of large format, but Ansel Adams also used a Hasselblad to good effect (and without a mule to carry it). With Hasselblad, you have the option of film or digital, so comparisons are easy. I found a 16 MP digital back (4080x4080 pixels) exceeded the quality of MF color film, and was much more consistent. The X1D brings higher resolution to the table in a rugged, highly portable package, at a surprisingly affordable price (compared to a Nikon D5, Canon 1D or Leica M10).

    The real money is in lenses. Fortunately you don't have to buy them all at once, and many times older lenses in your kit can be adapted. Cameras, particularly digital cameras, may go out of date quickly, but lenses live on. I have a Sony A7R2, which gives me medium format quality at half the weight (snd cost), usually without a tripod, so I don't see an X1D on my horizon. It's a matter of budget, purpose and priorities.
     
  10. " I'm looking for detail and control." Ed.

    Depends on how large you are printing, most folks can get very decent size prints on a 6 million pixel camera which is similar to what you can achieve with 35 film...

    Control is present on the most primitive camera you do not need a hundred one buttons to press to achieve this. Methinks it is the Art of the photograph and not about how many twigs are sharp looking through a magnifying glass...but the Art of seeing in any genera..


    john_sevigny|2

    Really good stuff.
     
  11. Orville Wright flew a plane with only a stick, which twisted the wings to execute a bank, and no instruments. Try crossing the ocean with that rig. The F35 will fly sideways on command. That takes a few more buttons.

    The X1D has relatively few but intuitive controls. My old F5 was more complicated and less demonstrative.
     
  12. Lets have a think here.

    Better low light performance (still noisy and dirty) loads of pixels to excite the masses, and faster auto focus., Although most manual focus dudes would claim they can focus faster and more accurate.

    Hello, Ed a camera is not a areophane, not much has really changed from dot....oh, now we have endless buttons to press, before we can take a photo.

    And we wonder why folks are using smart phones.
     
  13. Cameras are more complicated because buyers demand more capability. That works for areophanes [aeroplanes] and cameras. Even so, it is rarely necessary to press more than one button for the shot. "Excite the masses" sounds like something from socialist blather, better reserved for hand-painted protest signs. Try to stay on the right side of an analogy, and try to spell better if you plan to paint signs ;)
     
  14. "Cameras are more complicated because buyers demand more capability. That works for areophanes [aeroplanes] and cameras. Even so, it is rarely necessary to press more than one button for the shot. Edward.

    We agree cameras are getting more complicated, Ed (Edward to his mates...like me) And of course we both agree there's a learning curve process before we press that big button. there, two thing we agree on...not so hard.

    . "Excite the masses" sounds like something from socialist blather, better reserved for hand-painted protest signs. Try to stay on the right side of an analogy "Edward..

    Exciting the masses seems more to do with, if we follow your err analogy, with the dudes who dress in bedsheets and only listen to Wilhelm Wagner.

    "try to spell better if you plan to paint signs" Edward.

    Sorry about the spelling and stuff....those little dots and tadpoles things confuse me the most. Hey, us reds under your beds don't need to understand such things.

    It takes two wings to fly a left and a right., Edward. You really do not need.... to endlessly flap around with just one wing.

    ;))
     
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  15. So, lets end the Politics..
     

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