LF Massive Shootout

Discussion in 'Leica and Rangefinders' started by travis|1, Feb 3, 2005.

  1. I put this under Leica Adventures category.

    Here's what we we can do:

    1) we have 2 teams of 20 players(shooters) each: A and B.

    2) we have 2 coaches(editors) taking on team A and B respectively.

    3) we have a panel of judges to pick their favourite team after
    viewing their respective entries( selected by the team coaches).


    Here's how to do it:

    1) team members from team A submit one photo each to team A coach.

    2) team members from team B submit one photo each to team B coach.

    3) team coaches select the best 10 from each team.

    4) both coaches load up the pix (10 each) in the forum for the panel
    of judges to pick their fav team presentation.



    Now, let me know who wants to be :

    a) a shooter

    b) a coach(we may have more than one editors in a team, let's see)

    c) in the panel to be a judge



    Add your name to this list : S for shooter, C for coach, J for judge.

    Once I get enough participants, I'll jumble up the team members.
    We'll finalised the coaches list depending on how many wants to be
    coaches.
    Wanna play?


    the LIST: please add

    1. travis (S)

    2.
     
  2. EricM

    EricM Planet Eric

    can people without Leica's play?
     
  3. Yes. Even pinholes.
     
  4. Travis, I want to be a shooter.

    1. travis (S)

    2. Jorge (S)

    BTW, when I saw "LF Massive...", before reading the message, I thought you meant Large Format. I haven't shot my 4x5 in a long time. :)
     
  5. 1. travis (S)

    2. Jorge (S)

    3. Peter A (S)
     
  6. ooh pick me, pick me! (S Please)
     
  7. 1. travis (S)

    2. Jorge (S)

    3. Peter A (S)

    4. Travis L. (S)
     
  8. Interesting idea, but what are we shooting? Or are we just submitting old work? Is there a time limit to when we need to submit the entries?
     
  9. Where is the shooting done? Geographically limiting? I am in Jakarta right now.
     
  10. S please.

    Is this generic S-ing or assigned theme s-ing?
     
  11. EricM

    EricM Planet Eric

    5) Ray-S

    6) Eric-S (you guys are dead)
     
  12. Michael S. -- S (somebody's gotta come off the bench when the stars get winded, right?)

    Not only that, I wouldn't want me as a coach and wouldn't trust me as a judge. -:)
     
  13. Supposed to have typed in: (7)Michael S. -- S
     
  14. I'll give it a shot. Dale (S)
     
  15. Probably with a central theme. To be decided later. I need to compile the list first.

    1. travis (S)

    2. Jorge T (S)

    3. Peter A (S)

    4. Travis L (S)

    5. Ray (S)
     
  16. 1. travis (S)

    2. Jorge T (S)

    3. Peter A (S)

    4. Travis L (S)

    5. Ray (S)

    6. Eric (S)

    7. Michael (S)

    8. Dale (S)
     
  17. Pete - KAPOW is over here and needs a couple of your pictures.
     
  18. (9)Shakil Khan (S) please.
     
  19. I totalled my Leica, I mean my Nikon. So, I'll be da Judge. You guys are dead.
     
  20. Maria, I'm trembling already... ;-) Great of you taking the bench.
     
  21. The Fangster - S
     
  22. Yeah, I knew you'll all be thrilled. Promise to be as unbiased as possible, heh.
     
  23. the jury - s
     
  24. OK, I'm in. Messrs Soon & Sypal, how about you?

    1. travis (S)

    2. Jorge T (S)

    3. Peter A (S)

    4. Travis L (S)

    5. Ray (S)

    6. Eric (S)

    7. Michael (S)

    8. Dale (S)

    9. The Fangster (S)

    10. Richard (S)
     
  25. Hey, 9 was me!
     
  26. . travis (S)

    2. Jorge T (S)

    3. Peter A (S)

    4. Travis L (S)

    5. Ray (S)

    6. Eric (S)

    7. Michael (S)

    8. Dale (S)

    9. Shakil (S)

    10. The Fangster (S)

    11. Richard (S)
     
  27. 1. travis (S)

    2. Jorge T (S)

    3. Peter A (S)

    4. Travis L (S)

    5. Ray (S)

    6. Eric (S)

    7. Michael S.(S)

    8. Dale (S)

    9. The Fangster (S)

    10. Richard S.(S)

    11. Jury (S)

    12. Shakil K. (S)

    13. Maria Z. (J)
     
  28. Awww shoot, I'll Shoot
     
  29. Travis, I forghot to tell you something: you're the Leica Forum Savior, dude! we were all dyin' here, dude. you're like jesus, man.
     
  30. EricM

    EricM Planet Eric

    okay damn it that's it! Me and Pete are on opposite sides! (watch yer back, sneaky Pete)
     
  31. 1. travis (S)
    2. Jorge T (S)

    3. Peter A (S)

    4. Travis L (S)

    5. Ray (S)

    6. Eric (S)

    7. Michael S.(S)

    8. Dale (S)

    9. The Fangster (S)

    10. Richard S.(S)

    11. Jury (S)

    12. Shakil K. (S)

    13. Maria Z. (J)

    14. Barry F.(S)



    pls cut and paste the list, thx.
    ok Maria, I am dying here too.
     
  32. Eric, you might end up in Pete's group. It depends on the final draw in each groupings. WOuld you like to be coach instead so you can kick Pete's butt?;)
    But then again, you may not coach Pete, depending on the draw.
     
  33. 1. travis (S) 2. Jorge T (S)

    3. Peter A (S)

    4. Travis L (S)

    5. Ray (S)

    6. Eric (S)

    7. Michael S.(S)

    8. Dale (S)

    9. The Fangster (S)

    10. Richard S.(S)

    11. Jury (S)

    12. Shakil K. (S)

    13. Maria Z. (J)

    14. Barry F.(S)

    15. Ken Ng (S/J)??? - i'll be shooting with my new LC1 and trusty M4-P
     
  34. oops 15. Ken Ng (S)
     
  35. Shakil, a thousand apologies to you sir.

    May the best person win!
     
  36. uhm...then my apologies goes to Jury...and the "sir" thing too...
     
  37. Do the coaches get to pick their teams?
     
  38. Donald, good question. No.
     
  39. EricM

    EricM Planet Eric

    "Do the coaches get to pick their teams?"

    yeah, everyone stands against the wall and and each captain picks one at a time, just like in school.
     
  40. EricM

    EricM Planet Eric

    okay, forget what i said Donald
     
  41. Tentative theme of the shootout:

    "YOUR COUNTRY, TODAY."

    short notes allowed accompanying each photo.
     
  42. shooter please (S) David
     
  43. I shoot crap, will anyone trust me with an S?
     
  44. Theme :"YOUR COUNTRY, TODAY"


    1. travis (S)

    2. Jorge T (S)

    3. Peter A (S)

    4. Travis L (S)

    5. Ray (S)

    6. Eric (S)

    7. Michael S.(S)

    8. Dale (S)

    9. The Fangster (S)

    10. Richard S.(S)

    11. Jury (S)

    12. Shakil K. (S)

    13. Maria Z. (J)

    14. Barry F.(S)

    15. Ken Ng (S)

    16. David C. (S)



    ps: calling coaches, judges..
     
  45. John, just do it...hope your coach likes you ;)
     
  46. 1. travis (S) 2. Jorge T (S)
    3. Peter A (S)

    4. Travis L (S)

    5. Ray (S)

    6. Eric (S)

    7. Michael S.(S)

    8. Dale (S)

    9. The Fangster (S)

    10. Richard S.(S)

    11. Jury (S)

    12. Shakil K. (S)

    13. Maria Z. (J)

    14. Barry F.(S)

    15. Ken Ng (S)

    16. Bret (S)
     
  47. I want to play (S).

    Travis, since you are in charge, may I suggest a rule: Photos must not have been previously posted on this forum. I'm tired of people posting the same old great shots. :)
     
  48. Oops...

    16. David C. (S)

    17. Bret (S)

    18. Marc L. (S)
     
  49. i'll be a judge if yall need more judge...

    leslie (j)
     
  50. 1. travis (S)

    2. Jorge T (S)

    3. Peter A (S)

    4. Travis L (S)

    5. Ray (S)

    6. Eric (S)

    7. Michael S.(S)

    8. Dale (S)

    9. The Fangster (S)

    10. Richard S.(S)

    11. Jury (S)

    12. Shakil K. (S)

    13. Maria Z. (J)

    14. Barry F.(S)

    15. Ken Ng (S)

    16. Bret W.(S)

    17. Marc L.(S)


    Ok Marc...let's hope so but the coaches will decide his line up.
     
  51. 1. travis (S)

    2. Jorge T (S)

    3. Peter A (S)

    4. Travis L (S)

    5. Ray (S)

    6. Eric (S)

    7. Michael S.(S)

    8. Dale (S)

    9. The Fangster (S)

    10. Richard S.(S)

    11. Jury (S)

    12. Shakil K. (S)

    13. Maria Z. (J)

    14. Barry F.(S)

    15. Ken Ng (S)

    16. Bret W.(S)

    17. Marc L.(S)

    18. Leslie C.(J)

    19. David C. (S)

    thanks Leslie.
     
  52. Will one of you photography teachers out there please volunteer to be a coach?
     
  53. Al - Since you do know how to operate your scanner, you have to either be a coach or a judge. Take your pick.
     
  54. Oops, I mean since you "don't" know how to work your scanner . . ..
     
  55. Coach may be a tough job but tough men make tough decisions.
     
  56. I will judge if people are ok with it. Though my own photography still needs work, I think I
    have a reasonably discerning eye.
     
  57. Theme: "YOUR COUNTRY, TODAY"

    1. travis (S)

    2. Jorge T (S)

    3. Peter A (S)

    4. Travis L (S)

    5. Ray (S)

    6. Eric (S)

    7. Michael S.(S)

    8. Dale (S)

    9. The Fangster (S)

    10. Richard S.(S)

    11. Jury (S)

    12. Shakil K. (S)

    13. Maria Z. (J)

    14. Barry F.(S)

    15. Ken Ng (S)

    16. Bret W.(S)

    17. Marc L.(S)

    18. Leslie C.(J)

    19. David C. (S)

    20. Stuart R.(J)

    thanks Stuart. John, S?
     
  58. I'd love the chance to judge some of these shots. Sign me up

    Josh
     
  59. 1. travis (S)

    2. Jorge T (S)

    3. Peter A (S)

    4. Travis L (S)

    5. Ray (S)

    6. Eric (S)

    7. Michael S.(S)

    8. Dale (S)

    9. The Fangster (S)

    10. Richard S.(S)

    11. Jury (S)

    12. Shakil K. (S)

    13. Maria Z. (J)

    14. Barry F.(S)

    15. Ken Ng (S)

    16. Bret W.(S)

    17. Marc L.(S)

    18. Leslie C.(J)

    19. David C. (S)

    20. Stuart R.(J)

    21. Josh C.(J)


    ps: 4 judges, 17 shooters, 0 coaches.

    need 23 more shooters, maybe a odd number of judges more to break the tie and some coaches..
     
  60. Marc, I wasn't even aware that I was participating at all in this. I'm still trying to figure out why I awoke at 1:45 (east coast time), half an hour ago.
     
  61. Al, that's easy, sixth sense. The forum was calling you!
     
  62. Al-

    Go back to sleep. You can volunteer in the morning.
     
  63. EricM

    EricM Planet Eric

    you can probably count Dominic in for an S

    "Travis, since you are in charge, may I suggest a rule: Photos must not have been previously posted on this forum. I'm tired of people posting the same old great shots. :)"

    I agree, only shots made after today count?
     
  64. Can I play?

    1. travis (S)

    2. Jorge T (S)

    3. Peter A (S)

    4. Travis L (S)

    5. Ray (S)

    6. Eric (S)

    7. Michael S.(S)

    8. Dale (S)

    9. The Fangster (S)

    10. Richard S.(S)

    11. Jury (S)

    12. Shakil K. (S)

    13. Maria Z. (J)

    14. Barry F.(S)

    15. Ken Ng (S)

    16. Bret W.(S)

    17. Marc L.(S)

    18. Leslie C.(J)

    19. David C. (S)

    20. Stuart R.(J)

    21. Josh C.(J)

    22. Steve C. (S)
     
  65. Travis,

    How are the judges going to view the shots? Is it all via the internet or are folks going
    to be sending prints to the judges?

    I'll be a judge if you need another one.

    Cheers
     
  66. Yeah, send prints! Archivally processed DW fiber based prints on 11x 14 paper, signed and dated, plus $20 for each print submitted so I can get some inexpensive frames. I'm liking this more and more. ;>)
     
  67. I second Al on this. Prints of a size to be agreed upon by all, no electronic files. Signed and dated on the reverse.
     
  68. Am I allowed to play any part in this please?
     
  69. Shooter if possible. Thanks
     
  70. i sure would like to shoot too so that would be:
    (22) Maik -s

    but as i can only scan print photos and dunno if that will go through the quality control of this forum i could be a judge just as well. if scanning print photos is ok i'd shoot. travis, you decide.
     
  71. I would like to participate as well. If we do it internet-only, then I'd like to shoot, otherwise I would like to coach/judge.
     
  72. I want to be a shooter. I like the idea of having the option to send prints (the shooter bears all related costs if he/she choose to do it in this way).
     
  73. Am a newbie here but would love to join as a shooter.....
     
  74. Theme: "Your Country, Today"

    1. travis (S)

    2. Jorge T (S)

    3. Peter A (S)

    4. Travis L (S)

    5. Ray (S)

    6. Eric (S)

    7. Michael S.(S)

    8. Dale (S)

    9. The Fangster (S)

    10. Richard S.(S)

    11. Jury (S)

    12. Shakil K. (S)

    13. Maria Z. (J)

    14. Barry F.(S)

    15. Ken Ng (S)

    16. Bret W.(S)

    17. Marc L.(S)

    18. Leslie C.(J)

    19. David C. (S)

    20. Stuart R.(J)

    21. Josh C.(J)

    22. Steve C. (S)

    23. H.C (J)

    24. Trevor H. (S)

    25. Maik A.(S)

    26. Kai B.(S)

    27. Eddie L.(S)

    28. Andy M.(S)



    UPDATE: hear me out.

    1) I think we go with online pix. Sending prints would take up too much time/cost and besides not everyone gets to see them. I hope judges/coaches can judge the technical aspect of the pix based on online scanned pix, for this exercise...for now. Thanks. If we have another one, we can consider prints.

    2) Tentative date for submission is 28th Feb 2005. All submissions online. I'll save the trouble of the potential coaches and will be taking in all submissions via my email. Send me pix with max dimensions 700+ on longest side..and compressed to your needs. Not too big. You may send text to accompany your pix.

    3) Once all submissions in, I will load up 40 or so photos into my photonet folder. Pix will be credited to the sender and copyright labels will be stated in every photo. All photos in that folder will be labelled "team ? by ?". For all to view.

    4)COaches from each team will pick 10 from their teams in that folder and let me know by mail. I will then delete the ommited pix and only 10 from each team will remain in my folder.

    ok so far?



    JUDGING.

    1) To make it interesting, judging will be in 2 folds. All judges will judge as follows:

    a) Head to Head Sudden Death--10 points for each winning pic, 0 for losing pic.

    b) Overall Fav Group-----30 points, 0 for the other.


    Head to Head means coaches from both teams will line up their 10 pix 1-10 and each will take on the other team's 1-10, singularly, like the Ryder Cup. Winning pic gets 10 points, losing pic 0. The competing 20 pix in my folder(10 from each team) will be given a number. Coaches are allowed to strategise and see which pic they want to go head to head with from the other team's corresponding numbered pic. They will do so by emailing me how they want to arrange their 10 pix numerically to "combat" the other coach's line up. I will update the pix accordingly everytime they tell me so. This will be reflected in the folder. Of course, the coaches may choose to omit this step altogether. That's ok too. Less work for me. But the offer to move your lineup is open. Coaches may also share their strategy with his teammates. e.g "who should I pair Ray's with? You think he has a chance against Beau?"..something like that..via email

    The judges will first judge 10 pairs of pix head to head, give the points, and then select one fav group, which will get 30 points on top of the sigle matches.


    I will offer to collate the judging votes via mail and reproduce them verbatim online in one of the threads when all results are in.



    PS: this may all sound competitive but my intention is not to make it so. There're many dull ways to share pix already.;)

    Coaches needed!! we can even have 2 coaches in each team for better decision making.


    I hope people who put their name down can be committed to participate. Make this month something to shoot for. Please have email boxes available for communication.

    my email : polar@cyberdude.com

    questions?
     
  75. By my count you have 5 Judges. Can I make it 6? I will love seeing all the great images made in this contest.
     
  76. Sure. You're on.
     
  77. Kipling (s) <p>
    If there's still room for another shooter.
     
  78. Morning, Travis. Sign me up as an "S" please.
     
  79. 1. travis (S)

    2. Jorge T (S)

    3. Peter A (S)

    4. Travis L (S)

    5. Ray (S)

    6. Eric (S)

    7. Michael S.(S)

    8. Dale (S)

    9. The Fangster (S)

    10. Richard S.(S)

    11. Jury (S)

    12. Shakil K. (S)

    13. Maria Z. (J)

    14. Barry F.(S)

    15. Ken Ng (S)

    16. Bret W.(S)

    17. Marc L.(S)

    18. Leslie C.(J)

    19. David C. (S)

    20. Stuart R.(J)

    21. Josh C.(J)

    22. Steve C. (S)

    23. H.C (J)

    24. Trevor H. (S)

    25. Maik A.(S)

    26. Kai B.(S)

    27. Eddie L.(S)

    28. Andy M.(S)

    29. Kipling (S)

    30. Kevin M (S)

    31. stuart K (S)
     
  80. Travis, sorry, I didn't make myself clearer. My earlier post was meant to indicate (S). If it is too late, I will opt for another position - Judge or whatever. I keep getting called out and have missed a lot of discussion in between. Bed now. I will check back in the morning (my time - Aust. east coast) to pick up any offerings still available.

    Hope I'm posting all this the right way! Too tired to check now.
     
  81. Count me in. Mike
     
  82. Thats an (S)
     
  83. Oops! I just worked it out. Here we go. (I shoot ther same way)
    1. travis (S)

    2. Jorge T (S)

    3. Peter A (S)

    4. Travis L (S)

    5. Ray (S)

    6. Eric (S)

    7. Michael S.(S)

    8. Dale (S)

    9. The Fangster (S)

    10. Richard S.(S)

    11. Jury (S)

    12. Shakil K. (S)

    13. Maria Z. (J)

    14. Barry F.(S)

    15. Ken Ng (S)

    16. Bret W.(S)

    17. Marc L.(S)

    18. Leslie C.(J)

    19. David C. (S)

    20. Stuart R.(J)

    21. Josh C.(J)

    22. Steve C. (S)

    23. H.C (J)

    24. Trevor H. (S)

    25. Maik A.(S)

    26. Kai B.(S)

    27. Eddie L.(S)

    28. Andy M.(S)

    29. Kipling (S)

    30. Kevin M (S)

    31. stuart K (S)

    32. John A (S)

    Now to work out loading film . . .
     
  84. 1-27

    28. Andy M.(S)

    29. Kipling (S)

    30. Kevin M (S)

    31. stuart K (S)

    32. John A (S)

    33. Mike P.(S)
     
  85. me too, a shooter?
     
  86. 28. Andy M.(S)

    29. Kipling (S)

    30. Kevin M (S)

    31. stuart K (S)

    32. John A (S)

    33. Ralph M.(J)


    Pete, we'll see.;>..I was hoping Al would fill one coaching slot.
     
  87. Not clear to me if you have enough Coaches or Judges. If you need another of either I will be one.
     
  88. 28. Andy M.(S)
    29. Kipling (S)

    30. Kevin M (S)

    31. stuart K (S)

    32. John A (S)

    33. Ralph M.(J)

    34. Paul N.(S)

    35. George C.(CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC)

    thank u George!
     
  89. ok, 6 judges, 1 coach and 28 shooters so far...

    need 12 more shoooters, at least one more coach and 3 more judges(top it out at 9 judges).

    thanks
     
  90. Like to join as a shooter.
     
  91. I'd like to shoot too!
     
  92. I'd like to play if there's still room for a shooter...
     
  93. Travis, sign me up as an "S" please.
     
  94. hmmm, I didnt know this was a 'closed to a certain group of shooters' grouping. one moment I'm in, then I'm not. Live and learn.
     
  95. Hey, Mike you're in buddy. Travis is cool with the rules - nobody is excluded. If we have
    too many we can have 3 teams - gotta go with the flow!
     
  96. sorry Mike! I did too much cut and paste I forgot which one I cut. You r in! let me update the list.. sorry
     
  97. you need 12 more shooters? can i squeeze myself in here?

    28. Andy M.(S) 29. Kipling (S)

    30. Kevin M (S)

    31. stuart K (S)

    32. John A (S)

    33. Ralph M.(J)

    34. Paul N.(S)

    35. George C.(C)

    36. Ian K.(S)
     
  98. 28. Andy M.(S)

    29. Kipling (S)

    30. Kevin M (S)

    31. Stuart K (S)

    32. John A (S)

    33. Ralph M.(J)

    34. Paul N.(S)

    35. George C.(CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC)

    36. Mike P.(S)

    37. TTY (S)

    38. Reina (S)

    39. Donald JL(S)

    40. Tri Elmar (S)
     
  99. Ok, I'll bite. Vic (S)
     
  100. hm. you actually only needed 5 more shooters by the time i jumped in. let me know if i missed the cut and i'll hop in next time.
     
  101. 1. travis (S)

    2. Jorge T (S)

    3. Peter A (S)

    4. Travis L (S)

    5. Ray (S)

    6. Eric (S)

    7. Michael S.(S)

    8. Dale (S)

    9. The Fangster (S)

    10. Richard S.(S)

    11. Jury (S)

    12. Shakil K. (S)

    13. Maria Z. (J)

    14. Barry F.(S)

    15. Ken Ng (S)

    16. Bret W.(S)

    17. Marc L.(S)

    18. Leslie C.(J)

    19. David C. (S)

    20. Stuart R.(J)

    21. Josh C.(J)

    22. Steve C. (S)

    23. H.C (J)

    24. Trevor H. (S)

    25. Maik A.(S)

    26. Kai B.(S)

    27. Eddie L.(S)

    28. Andy M.(S)

    29. Kipling (S)

    30. Kevin M (S)

    31. stuart K (S)

    32. John A (S)

    33. Ralph M.(J)

    34. Paul N.(S)

    35. George C.(CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC)

    36. Mike P.(S)

    37. TTY (S)

    38. Reina (S)

    39. Donald JL(S)

    40. Tri Elmar (S)

    41. Ian K. (S)


    6 judges, 1 coach and 34 shooters so far...

    need 6 more shooters, 1 coach and 3 judges..

    who's supposed to be in but names don't appear here, please let me know.
     
  102. Travis, when you are ready, you should establish an email address list to keep things organized.
     
  103. oops. I hope I'm not late to this thread.

    Put me in as S or J
     
  104. yes will do., thx Ralph. Once I got the full list, divided the teams, then everyone should email me once for head count.

    btw, someone (Eric?) shouted Dominic will be in as a S but Dominic did not reply, so I have not included him yet.


    42. Vic (S)


    5 more shooters needed.
     
  105. Travis, I'd be happy to be included as a shooter.

    Bob (S)
     
  106. 43. Rene (J)

    5 more shooters and 2 more judges needed and 1 coach(please step up).


    btw, if your team lose, blame the coach.;)
     
  107. 44. Bob B.(S)

    4 more shooters needed..
     
  108. Adrian Morgan (S)
     
  109. Trav, I'd be willing to sign up as a shooter.
     
  110. 45. Adrian M.(S)

    last 3 shooters needed..
     
  111. 46. James M.(S)

    2 more shooters..
     
  112. How about a little danger? Me, shooter?
     
  113. I'll shoot or judge Travis...whichever you need.
     
  114. 47. M.Danger (S)

    48. Matt M.(S)

    49. Robert M.(J)

    1 more judge needed. 1 more coach needed<--------it's the easiest job.

    We have 40 shooters now, enough for 2 teams. I can accept an even number more shooters to balance the teams. We'll see. Thanks for the enthusiamsm.
     
  115. Great idea. I'll go S if I'm not too late to get in!
     
  116. 1. travis (S)

    2. Jorge T (S)

    3. Peter A (S)

    4. Travis L (S)

    5. Ray (S)

    6. Eric (S)

    7. Michael S.(S)

    8. Dale (S)

    9. The Fangster (S)

    10. Richard S.(S)

    11. Jury (S)

    12. Shakil K. (S)

    13. Barry F.(S)

    14. Ken Ng (S)

    15. Bret W.(S)

    16. Marc L.(S)

    17. David C. (S)

    18. Steve C. (S)

    19. Trevor H. (S)

    20. Maik A.(S)

    21. Kai B.(S)

    22. Eddie L.(S)

    23. Andy M.(S)

    24. Kipling (S)

    25. Kevin M (S)

    26. stuart K (S)

    27. John A (S)

    28. Paul N.(S)

    29. Mike P.(S)

    30. TTY (S)

    31. Reina (S)

    32. Donald JL(S)

    33. Tri Elmar (S)

    34. Ian K. (S)

    35. Vic (S)

    36. Bob B (S)

    37. Adrian M(S)

    38. James M(S)

    39. M Danger (S)

    40. Matt M(S)


    The full shooters list.

    I followed through the original list in order of entry and here're the teams.

    TEAM A-----ODD NUMBERS

    TEAM B-----EVEN NUMBERS
     
  117. Well done, Travis!

    All the above in just 12 hours. I'll bet others will see it and want "in" -- suggest you consider holding it open for more folks who haven't been here between last night and this a.m. (a 3rd team ?)
     
  118. ok..Im open to more participants...just keep adding...we'll expand the team base if needed.

    Im still looking for the missing coach..

    Worse case scenario, we'll skip the coaching part and have an all out HEAD TO HEAD match up..for all shooters.

    My preference however, is to have 2 coaches to select their 10 for the match up..

    thread is still open to entries..

    meanwhile, those already on the teams can START SHOOTING...

    please refrain from using old materials.

    You can email me your entry anytime from now till 28th feb 2005 (too late?)...state your team and your included text if required.

    I'll load up into a folder as the pix come in. Judging only starts when HEAD TO HEAD match up is called into action.


    for now...good nite..
     
  119. One more thought, Travis: how about each shooter submits two photos (instead of just one)? Let the coach pick the best from a slightly larger sample. (Fine if you limit upload size both in dimensions and in total file size.)
     
  120. Michael, any more last-minute thoughts and this will never get off the ground. Lets just stick with what we have as of this moment in time.
     
  121. You've seem to have enough judges - can I be the executioner? <P>Great idea BTW...
     
  122. Hi Travis, I just found this thread. Can I join in the fun?

    Liam
     
  123. BTW, can you discuss a little bit on the theme? e.g. I don't live in my country anymore...
     
  124. Hey Shakil, I'll make it easier for you -- your country is where you pay (or not) your taxes.
     
  125. Can I play? I'll fight any mothers son in this bar (hic).
     
  126. Got it, Judge!
     
  127. So photography is a team sport now?
     
  128. Hey Travis, any more space? Put me down as a SHOOTER.
     
  129. Nice idea, Travis. Well, coach is a difficult task... this is about having fun and taking part, so any exclusion by selection is hard to swallow and hard to exercise... If ther still is space, count me in as either S or J.
     
  130. 50. Liam M. (S)-----team b

    51. Tom H.(S)-----team a

    52. Alan S.(S)----team b

    53. Lutz K.(S)------team a


    Michael, I think one photo for now or my folder will burst.
    Douglas, it's all about the coaches.;)
     
  131. EricM

    EricM Planet Eric

    I can help with instant web pages, like I do for us here at PN. Each team could email their photos I can up load them to their respective web folders. This could help with editing for the coaches and such.
     
  132. Eric, thanks. Can you design such that you get 2 columns of pix facing each other during the match up? 20+ pix for each columns. WIth accompanying text by the photog?
     
  133. Can I be an S?
     
  134. EricM

    EricM Planet Eric

    Travis, I'd have to do it in photoshop. Put two photos on a single file in layers, then flaten, then use the text tool for each image. This would be slow as I have alot on my palte at the moment. But making two seperate web folders while in the draft stages, one for team A and another for B is easy. Then a third web folder they could be alternate in viewing placement?
     
  135. I don't get any of it, can't follow, must've lost my attention span at work today. Never was any too alert.

    If Travis or somebody would put an S or a J next my name and tell me what I'm doing, I'll play.
     
  136. Travis and people,

    If you acept digital pictures and there is room for one more shooter I will be happy to participate. But I need help understanding what I will have to do to to get all the information needed about the rules, about in wich team I will be, and all these kind of things. Thanks!
     
  137. I wanna be odd. But I'm a team player. Remember the Sox...
     
  138. Peter - U'r going DOWN dude!
     
  139. 54. S. Liu(S)---team b

    55. John LP.(J)

    56. Flavio S.(S)----team b


    Eric, I will check with you what we can do about the presentation.
    Guys, as it is, I only have 1 coach(George C). Now I know being a coach is tough as you have to pick people. I'll leave it for a while more before I decide if we'd scrap the coaches altogether. If THAT HAPPENS(i.e no coaches), here's how the shootout is gonna be:


    Theme :" YOUR COUNTRY, TODAY."

    The shootout format is simple. A few rounds of Head to Head single match ups leading to a final 3 . The last standing pic will be declared the winner of the shootout.

    So say we have 60 pix at start, 1st round, 30 vs 30.

    2nd round, 15 vs 15 (Chief Judge picks 1 of 15 to stay out)

    3rd round, 7 vs 7 (Chief Judge picks 1 of 7 to stay out)

    4th round 3 vs 3

    5th round Final 3(Winner from one of these 3)

    So I have now 46 shooters, 9 judges and 1 coach. Judges have to judge on every round via email either to me or possibly Eric(we'll see). I will nominate Maria Z. to be the Chief judge. She will eliminate the extra winning pic from odd numbered match ups. We stick with 9 judge to break ties. Judging is simple. Just pick who you think is better and submit your results to me or Eric.

    The number of rounds will depend on final number of shooters. Im leaving it open for now...keep the entries coming in.

    There's a HIGH chance we'll scrap the coach format so that ALL entries have a go at it head to head. If no extra coach steps up in a day or two, we'll follow the format as above.

    ROLES:

    Shooter: JUST SHOOT...for the theme, scan and ready to mail either to me or Eric. by 28th Feb 2005...include the country your are shooting and the text to go by if you wish to.

    Eric, do you think you can have a few pages to represent each round of match up?

    questions...?


    Judges List:

    HC, Rene, John LP, Ralph M, Josh C, Stuart R, Leslie C, Maria Z(chief judge), Robert M.

    Judges, please email me once to let me know you'll be around during judging time. If you don't think you can make it, let me know and we'll need replacement fast. Thanks

    my email: polar@cyberdude.com

    Eric, yours?
     
  140. Match up sequencing..

    1 vs 2, 3 vs 4, 5 vs 6, 7 vs 8 etc

    winners from each match up face the winner in the group directly below and so on..for the rest of the rounds..

    e.g, Travis vs Jorge T in round one...winner will face either Peter A or Travis L in round 2 etc...
     
  141. The full SHOOTERS LIST: odd numbers---team A, even-B

    1. travis (S)

    2. Jorge T (S)

    3. Peter A (S)

    4. Travis L (S)

    5. Ray (S)

    6. Eric (S)

    7. Michael S.(S)

    8. Dale (S)

    9. The Fangster (S)

    10. Richard S.(S)

    11. Jury (S)

    12. Shakil K. (S)

    13. Barry F.(S)

    14. Ken Ng (S)

    15. Bret W.(S)

    16. Marc L.(S)

    17. David C. (S)

    18. Steve C. (S)

    19. Trevor H. (S)

    20. Maik A.(S)

    21. Kai B.(S)

    22. Eddie L.(S)

    23. Andy M.(S)

    24. Kipling (S)

    25. Kevin M (S)

    26. stuart K (S)

    27. John A (S)

    28. Paul N.(S)

    29. Mike P.(S)

    30. TTY (S)

    31. Reina (S)

    32. Donald JL(S)

    33. Tri Elmar (S)

    34. Ian K. (S)

    35. Vic (S)

    36. Bob B (S)

    37. Adrian M(S)

    38. James M(S)

    39. M Danger (S)

    40. Matt M(S)

    41. Liam M. (S)

    42. Tom H.(S)

    43. Alan S.(S)

    44. Lutz K.(S)

    45. S.Liu(S)

    46. Flavio S(S)
     
  142. Peter, true. That's because I think we won't find another coach to take the other team to make this a team event.
    Im ok with that and what I described above would be singles matches if that happens.

    If you wanan play like a team thing, then I'd like to hear suggestions as to how to match up? Should we do just one round team A vs B and close it from there? I thought a few rounds would see a real winning pic flying through clearer.

    suggestions?
     
  143. EricM

    EricM Planet Eric

    "Travis the match - ure logic means that it isn't a team event?"

    ...yeah. i thought 20 of us would take on twenty of the others? maybe each player submitts three photos, somehow the three get judged and the best one gets submitted to the grande thread of threads?
     
  144. Eric, so the judges have to judge 40X3=120 pix. Then you get 40 for the team event? 20 vs 20. Then judges pick the best group? But they already picked the 40 before, so why pick again?. That's why we need coaches, but we haven't got one.

    Im thinking how do you win as a team? Initially I wanted the coach to pick 10 and strategise in placing the pix 1-10 vs the other 1-10 and match up.

    How did Ryder Cup teams play? 4 balls, singles, alternate shots? How do we apply that here? What's the captains role in golf there?
     
  145. EricM

    EricM Planet Eric

    How about two threads from the start? An "A Team Qualifier" thread that could have three entries per person on the A Team. The judges vote behind the scenes with forwarding email amongst each other which of the three is the strongest, and when they decide, the photographer then gets an email being instructed to upload that winner to an "A Team Finals" thread. So in the beginning there would be two threads of 60 and then a final killer thread of 20. Then, and maybe Tony will play to keep it anonymous, the judges will vote in secret to Tony on which they think is the strongest thread, A Final or B Final, and Tony posts the results, the winner?
     
  146. ok sounds good. Meaning we have 2 threads of 60 pix each, then 2 threads of 20 each, then one winning team. Ok, Eric, can these pix be put in your folder or website? all 120 and then 40 pix? If the forum can't take 2 threads of 60 pix i.e

    SO judges decide on overall group presentation and no match ups?

    Who's for it?
     
  147. EricM

    EricM Planet Eric

    Yeah, absolutely, a web folder that big is no problem. For my sanity, the files being sent should be named something like "Travis 01 Team Odd.jpg" and then the next one "Travis 02 Team Odd.jpg" and so forth. And we can make them bigger than the ones here too, like 720 pix on the longest side, jpg quality 8 min.
     
  148. Why do we have to post 3 photos. Seems excessive to me. Cant we stick with one photo per shooter.
     
  149. ok you were here while I was developing ;)

    UPDATE: RULES

    Team A--odd numbers, Team B-even numbers. Please find your name and number on the above final shooters list.

    Each team member, maximum 3 pix each to be sent to Eric, who will provide his email soon.

    Judges to pick ONE from each member. If a member sent only one pic, then pick that.

    Each team ends up with X number of pix(X=number of shooters in each team).

    Judges will then select the best team effort.

    Eric, should the judges mail you the results? When can you get the website up and when can shooters send you their pix?


    PS: COACHES SCRAPPED. George C., Im sorry. Would you like to be a shooter instead?
     
  150. Stuart , send one. 3 is a choice, or 2.
     
  151. Eric, seems to me if a member's entry is gonna be picked anyway, sending more than one just adds load to the judges, and doesn't seem to add to the final showdown.

    If we stick with one pic per shooter, we go straight to the showdown. How's that?
     
  152. EricM

    EricM Planet Eric

    one pick two pick three pick, it doesn't matter to me. maybe the judges should decide it it's too much of a work load?

    the web pages just take seconds to make and a few minutes to uplaod, while i'm trolling around here :) But if we're only using one pick each, there's nothing wrong with a thread of 20 images is there, we do it all the time? either or, doesn't matter to me...
     
  153. however yall implementing it, I suggest yall make us (judges) *not* see the shooter's name with the acompanying photo if at all possible. It would be more objective imho.
     
  154. Just read this post. Am I too late to be included Travis? -- would like to be a S if the doors
    are still open!
     
  155. Too late for Entering from Italy?? :)
     
  156. I'll shoot if there's still room.
     
  157. 47. Sparkie (S)

    48. Gabriele L.(S)

    49. Marc W.(S)

    we have 49 shooters.

    Eric,If you ask me now again, I'll go with my initial matchup sequence. Maybe not team play then, but certainly more fun. To me, the team play ended when the coaches are nowhere to be found. So, perhaps we do singles.

    Let's let it rest for a while while the shooters go shoot. Prepare a few pix if you must. The final gameplan is not decided yet.

    Eric, thx for providing your webspace for the pix. ;>


    Theme: "Your Country, Today."
     
  158. If you need me to be a coach instead of a shooter, that's okay with me...i thought somewhere you mentioned that if anyone was a teacher, they would be a good coach. Let me know. Mary
     
  159. Why not let Mary or whoever shoot and coach the team they're not
    a shooter on?

    How about leaving this open through Monday or Tuesday for any
    who just happen not to have been around the last couple days?

    Just some thoughts anyway, Travis....
     
  160. Thanks for the nomination for a chief justice, Travis. If that's ok with everyone, I accept it.
     
  161. Okay, i'm in. Not sure what i'm in.

    Last time i entered one of Travis's photo comps i came last. He did not even give me a booby prize...he said my pic was not even worthy of that. I cried for a whole week. Oh well.
     
  162. alright, Eric, got me into this - whatever it is. Shooter please. Can we have one final post - or preferable a new thread - with the rules, theme, submission deadlines, shooters/coaches/judges etc?
     
  163. EricM

    EricM Planet Eric

    Just to add a bit more confusion, Matt M has left town for Istanbul and then India and has asked me to take care of his pics that he just emailed me. So, what the heck, I start a gallery...

    Team Even
     
  164. Is this still open? I'd like to shoot. Ralph W (s)
     
  165. 50. Allen H.(S)

    51. Patrick W.DC(S)

    52. Ralph W.(S)


    ...52 shooters.
    still open for entries..just fill to this thread first...and go shoot first...

    Theme :" YOUR COUNTRY, TODAY."

    We'll settle the judging thing later, closer to final submission date of 28th feb 05


    Eric, if you could, maybe you could give pix submitted to you by shooters an anynonomyous label first when displayed on your website. eg. just name it Team A-001.jpg etc ..BUT TAKE NOTE WHOSE PIX ARE WHICH!;)

    Shooters may send their entries to Eric via mail anytime from now till 28th feb 05. I think we'll stick with sending MAXIMUM 3 piX only per shooter.

    thanks..New thread will be started soon about final rules and regulations...shoot first.

    and add to this list if you wanna play.
     
  166. 53: Dominic (S)
     
  167. Can I play too? Don't how I missed this for 2 days.
     
  168. I really think the LFMS should move to a new thread. This one is too long already! Someone please do it.
     
  169. Travis,

    Add me to an category that you still need.

    Jim
     
  170. 54. Matt A (S)

    Jim, can you be a coach?

    Tentative coach list: George C. and Jim A.

    George and Jim, please email me or reply here to confirm again that both of you would be taking one team each.

    The plan right now is to still have 2 teams A and B, each shooter submitting a maximum of 3 pix to Eric via mail. Please include text to the pix if you want.

    The 2 coaches will pick 20 each from their team respectively. And there will be a 20 VS 20 group match ups.

    PS: M Danger, thanks but I think I'll keep you in the S list...for now unless one of the coaches steps down for whatever reasons.

    Plan may still change, but this is the update.
     
  171. The judges will judge only the 20 Vs 20..on a point system.

    Each pic gets max 10 points and minimum 0. The results of the match up will be based on which team got the most points.
     
  172. EricM

    EricM Planet Eric

    "Please include text to the pix if you want."

    I've got enough reading, lol. what am i supposed to do with text?

    files need to be named "name team number.jpg" for instance "Eric M team even 01.jpg" and the longest side has to be between 700 and 750 pix other wise if it is too small, they will be interpolated up to that size and look degraded. in the subject bar of your email, put something relevent to the shoot out so i don't miss it amongst all the spam.
     
  173. Eric, please post the pix up in your folder without including the photog's name. Split them into team A and B in 2 pages if you could.

    I dunno how you can include text, but it's like when i put my mouse arrow on the small thumbnail, i would be able to read what the pix is about? something like that.

    Please remmeber whose pix is which when you post up anynomously. I leave that to you. Anynomity is to give more objectivity to the whole shootout for the judges I presume.

    thx
    questions?
     
  174. EricM

    EricM Planet Eric

    do even numbers = team a or b? does it matter?

    i don't know how to do the text, sorry Travis. these web pages are custom html i had made through the automation of photoshop.
     
  175. A= odd numbers, B=even. That's how the teams are separated. Does it matter? maybe not. Would B=odd be better? perhaps. WOuld you prefer a singles match up? Some prefer a team event in the middle of the thread. SOme want another team, C.

    Ok you can't do text. That's ok. I will take in all the pix then and put in my photonet folder " LF Massive Shootout". Text will be inserted in the comments page or in a few words in the title. I think it can be done. Text option is provided in this shootout. DO people want text? Does it matter? I dunno. But it's good to have.

    Perhaps you could email me Matt M's pix then. I will start loading up.

    thanks.
     
  176. EricM

    EricM Planet Eric

    okey dokey
     
  177. Thanks for posting the link back to this thread in the forum today... is it too late for another Matt (S)?
     
  178. I'm in if there is room for another shooter. Let me know if you prefer I fill another role instead.

    Rick H.
     
  179. 55. Matt C.(S)

    56. Rick H.(S)


    PS: Please email me your pix(maximum 3 per person)with short notes accompanying the pix.

    email: polar@cyberdude.com

    subject: LFMS Team ?

    I will upload your pix to my PN folder titled "LF Masssive Shootout Team ?-Qualifier".

    ALl pix in my folder will be anynomous for objective selection. If anyone not keen with this arrangement and do not wish to have their pix uploaded this way, let me know.


    THEME: "YOUR COUNTRY, TODAY"

    LAST SUBMISSION DATE: 28TH FEB 2005.


    thanks.



    PS: George C, Jim A, please email me once for confirmation. thanks.
    Judges please email me once (those who have not) for head count. thanks.
     
  180. One team B shooter has submitted a photo for the qualifier(maximum of 3 pix per shooter). Pix in the qualifier will be selected by team coaches of which 20 will be in the shootout final(another FINALS folder) I have included the copyright statement stating permission has been given by the shooter for this online exercise. However, all pix will have my name i.e "BY TRAVIS". I cannot edit my name off. These pix(except my entry) are not owned by me. Hope this is clear and is the only way I can put it up with such disclaimer. Any shooter against this arrangement, please let me know by mail. email: polar@cyberdude.com the shootout continues.. Team B qualifier folder
     
  181. 20 from each team will be selected for the FINALS that is..

    Team A coach: GEORGE CONBOY

    Team B coach: JIM ARNOLD

    thanks to both!
     
  182. Travis, aren't we supposed to withold the photog names from the photographs?
     
  183. Where was the name revealed Rene?
     
  184. In the description of the picture it says by Travis.
     
  185. Rene -- You probably missed Travis' comment above. *All pics* will say "by Travis."
     
  186. LOL I most likely did. This thread is so damn long I can't keep up with it.
     
  187. Wow this looks fun! Probably too late, but if you need a shooter or judge let me know.
     

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