trooper Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 After searching around the internet and photo.net in particular, I amfinding very little direct discussion of attributes of DD-X. Thereare many references to it as part of other discussions and Ilford'stechnical sheets list it as their preferred developer for almost everyaspect of every film (grain size, overall quality, full emulsionspeed, etc). I just recently added some to a supply order and will betrying it out myself but would like to know of any direct experiencesyou may have had. Also, some especially successful combinationsyou've discovered with it would be helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimvanson Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 I was pretty hot for DDX when it was first announced.<P>I was hopin' it would turn out to be Ilford's liquid version of Kodak XTOL: therefor my weapon of choice for D3200.<P>I bought about eight jugs of it. Used it on all the Delta's, Tri-X & the APX's. In the end I gave it up.<P>Yes it was an easy to use speed enhancing developer but as far as tonality and accutance went DDX was priced far too high for what it did -- which was nothing brilliantly (although I understand it's good for taking D3200 into deep dark speeds of 12,500 and beyond).<P>Some say DDX is just a liquid Microphen -- I can't comment on that because I don't have enough experience with that developer.<P>And so to end the story -- XTOL still reigns supreme in my darkroom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
._._z Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 <i><blockquote> I was hopin' it would turn out to be Ilford's liquid version of Kodak XTO </blockquote> </i><p> I thought it was supposed to be their equivalent of TMAX developer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon evans. Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 Have you tried searched the forums on this site? A <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=dd-x+site:www.photo.net&sourceid=opera&num=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8">google search of photo.net for DD-X</a> produced nearly 300 matches. <br><br> It is effectively a liquid version of Microphen. Ilford are a bit too hard-sell with DD-X, claiming it is ideal for everything. However, I do like it, and am hoping to do a comparison with ID-11, my preferred developer to date (I'd prefer not to mix up powder dev). DD-X is the only dev I use with Delta 3200. But there's no substitute for trying it yourself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lex_jenkins Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 I'm not persuaded that DDX is simply the liquid concentrate version of Microphen. For one thing Ilford's specs for the developers differ slightly. On a couple of specifics they give a slight nod to DDX over Microphen. I've compared the ingredients listed on the containers for each. They're not identical. While they might achieve very comparable results I suspect that certain alterations had to be made in each to accomodate the fact that one would be normally stored in liquid concentrate while the other would be in powder form until prepared as stock solution. I haven't tried DDX only because I'm so satisfied with Microphen. It does what I need of a speed enhancing developer, and a little more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_stockdale2 Posted July 9, 2004 Share Posted July 9, 2004 I read in a post somewhere that there was a major article in a magazine (French?) in which many film/dev combinations were tested, and DD-X came out a little slower than Microphen. You might find it in a search in rec.photo.darkroom, which is a great storehouse of info and opinions, but IMHO has deteriorated in tone and quality lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_stockdale2 Posted July 9, 2004 Share Posted July 9, 2004 Further to my previous post, I looked up the article, and have taken the liberty of copying two posts here: From: Christer Almqvist Subject: delta 3200 & ilfotec dd-x Newsgroups: rec.photo.darkroom Date: 1999/03/06 The current issue (#84 ) of the french monthly Réponses Photo has an interesting article on Delta 3200. Issue #85 will be on sale 12th March with further details including detailed comparisons of Delta 3200 and Tmax 3200 exposed at 800, 1600 and 3200 and developed in five different developers. Here are some of the points made in the current issue: 1.) overall, Delta 3200 got five points out of five, 2.) the film has an ISO rating of 1000 and the reason it is called 3200 is that Kodak calls its ISO 1000 film 3200, 3.) there is a loss of shadow detail if exposed at 6400 or higher and the magazine thus reports in detail only on test up to and including 3200, 4.) development times recommended by the magazine for all developers are significantly higher than those recommended by Ilford: e.g. 19 min rather than 10.5 min for exposure at 3200 when using ID-11 stock, 5.) Ilford's new Ilfotec DD-X diluted 1+4 was rated best developer for Delta 3200, but it was a close call with ID-11, and Microphen gave one-third to one-half stop more speed, 6.) a comparison with Tmax 3200 developed in Tmax developer (DD-X used for Delta) showed less grain for Delta but more shadow detail for Tmax, but this may depend on different developers being used. The films were both exposed at 3200 and developed to the same contrast. Tmax developer was used as it gave more shadow detail than D-76 and Xtol. 7. Well, I already told you all this, based on my own test, didn't I? ;-) BTW, Réponses Photo is highly recommended. They do not forget that in the end it is all about pictures, so he picture content is very good. However the technical side is not forgotten and the special B&W issues contain very much relevant information, and in general all tests are to the point. ============and another post================ From: Christer Almqvist Subject: 3200 Newsgroups: rec.photo.darkroom Date: 1999/03/16 The April issue (# 85) of the French magazine Réponses Photo has a side-by-side test of Delta 3200 and Tmax 3200 both exposed at 800, 1600, 3200 and 6400 and developed in ID11/D76, Ilfotec DD-X, Microphen, Xtol, Tmax and Microfine. That makes 48 different tests!! Both films give very good results at 800 with all developers, but so do all 400 films pushed one step, so why use 3200 asks RP. At 1600 Microphen gave very good results with both films, as did Tmax developer and Microfine with Tmax 3200. At 3200 the Tmax developer with Tmax 3200 gave the best results, other combinations gave good results. At 6400 no combination was very good. The reason = as we know ;-) = is that these film are true ISO 800-1000-max 1200 film so that exposing at 3200 is already pushing one-and-a-half to two steps. BTW, Anchell & Troop in their new 'Film Developing Cookbook' recommend another approach to obtaining good results when pushing film: use Xtol or FX 37 and dilute twice as much as you normally do and increase development time 50-100% for a two-stop push. They say Tri-X can be pushed three steps (i.e. to 3200) with acceptable results. I have found the same. Detailed times for almost all films are in the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper Posted July 11, 2004 Author Share Posted July 11, 2004 Thanks for the DD-X specific responses. I did a quick test roll of HP5+ and discovered that DD-X is quite aggressive! I've been mainly using tanning developers of late and had grown accustomed to the thinner apparent density of those so the charcoal color and relative density of the DD-X was quite different. I was taking some color shots of a friend's antique car for him this weekend and noticed an old roll of APX100 in my bag and decided to shoot it on the car, too. I did the film (120-6X7) in DD-X (7 min @ 1+4) and printed some this morning. They printed very easily on grade 2 with good shadow detail, fine grain and a nice general tonality. The light was diffused, late day and not very challenging so I'll be interested in trying it on my more normal films (Ilford's) and trickier lighting. I've got a feeling that if I end up liking the DD-X in general that I'll adopt it for flatter lighting, full emulsion speed situations and the tanning developers (ExLux and WD2D+) for harsher light situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon evans. Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 Lex, John Hicks' comment <i>"DD-X is essentially liquid-concentrate Microphen in all characteristics</i> was in <a href="http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=002ZlC">this thread</a>. See also <a href="http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=006cFx">http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=006cFx</a>. <br><br> If DD-X appears aggressive try 1+6 or 1+8 dilution (JH recommends around 150% of the 1+4 time for 1+8). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_rollins Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Craig, Recently I was also trying to learn as much about DD-X as I could...different film responses and general thoughts. I ran across a Jan/Feb 2000 Photo Techniques review of DD-X by Phil Davis. It was very detailed with test results, curves, etc. on Delta 100 and 400, T-max 100 and 400. FP4+, HP5+, Tri-X, and Delta 3200 all developed in DD-X 1+4 or 1+6. Even though it is somewhat dated, and some films have changed, I think it is a good review and reference. If you want a copy semd me your email address and I'll send a PDF file copy of the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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