Help needed, trying to setup Samsung 245T with eyeone display 2

<p>Hi, I was searching around to get help on this task and found this forum.<br /> What I'm trying to do is do a basic calibration using an eyeone 2 on a samsung 245T monitor running on 64bit Vista.<br /> <br /> So far, I've reset my monitor and ran the basic calibration, the end result is an image that looks way off something like a 5000k white balance.<br /> <br /> When trying the advanced mode, I've been able to find (after a long trial and error) a point where the contrast looks to be at the correct point on imatch, the RGB values for 6500K are even and luminance is at around 119.5<br /> <br /> I run the calibration and the end result is always a new icc setting that looks slightly different but not dramatic, just a hair darker.<br /> <br /> Checking in the color management settings in advanced dislay menu in vista, I see my newly formed profile is set to default.<br>

<br /> Then, I try to load a picture into photoshop CS4 and the image loads up with a color that looks completely off. The blues look too purple and the skin tones are really faded. If i try loading the icc profile; sRGBIEC61966-.21 back in the vista color management, the colors look correct again when i load a picture.<br /> <br /> I found this same problem using my imatch icc profile opening an image in windows photo gallery with the same solution if I change my icc back to the sRGB one. I've tried installing irfanview and acdsee pro 2.5, these both look fine even with the imatch icc file as the default.<br /> <br /> I've tried recalibrating several times, i have no clue what's going on at this point or where things are going wrong.<br /> <br /> What should i do from here?<br /> <br /> Thanks for any help!</p>

<p>So, the Windows monitor setup should never be set to a color space - that's not what, say, the sRGB or Adobe RGB files are used for. Windows needs to have your monitor set to a monitor profile, such as the one your calibration software created. Then Photoshop shouldn't be using the monitor file - it should be using a color space in its profile, like sRGB or Adobe RGB.</p>

<p>I've also noticed more purple in some software since I started calibrating, but I think that's because out-of-calibration monitors as set up by manufacturers push blue so strongly I was used to seeing RGB blue everywhere. My photos definitely look more correct.</p>

<p>I've used to use that Samsung monitor at work, though not with Vista, and I didn't try to do a real calibration but from my experience it seems like a very difficult monitor to work with. It's waaaaay too bright and does push blues very hard, which seems to be a Samsung trend in the last few years. They look great in the stores. Take it one step at a time. Get the brightness under control. Get the gamma right. Make the color temp something reasonable. (It might not even be able to do 5500, you might be forced to use 6500.) Then get the color calibration.</p>

<p>From what you're explaining, I think I'm doing it right. I haven't changed anything in photoshop, it is set to sRGB working space in the 'color settings' menu.<br>

<br /> the vista color management setting is left alone after the imatch finishes, leaving the new ICC file as the 'default'.<br>

<br /> but using this new icc file, my colors look wrong. here's an example of one of my photos;<br>

<br /> <img src="http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/8982/img17862.jpg" alt="" /><br>

the sky in this picture should look blue, not purple. with the new icc on my computer, everything looks washed out and purple.</p>

<p>Weird. I'm looking at it on my Mac which I used an i1d2 on and it's looks just right in Safari. BUT if I look at this in Firefox is looks purple. If I save the image and open it in Photoshop it is purple. BUT if I go through the possibilities in Assign Profile, I see that it looks right (and the color is really quite good - my compliments on the photo) in ProPhotoRGB.</p>

<p>Is ProPhotoRGB your Photoshop default working space?</p>

<p>I don't know what to tell you, Vista is not in the range of my experience, maybe somebody else can clear this one up.</p>

<p>firefox is not normally (ie. by default) color managed. Safari is.</p>

<p>you have to turn on firefox color management via the about:config command (search for gfx)</p>

<p>I have Firefox color management turned on. Their is something else wrong - I think the photo is supposed to be interpreted as ProPhotoRGB but wherever that tag is it's something nonstandard that some programs will read and most won't. (That's conjecture but it's the only thing I can think of based on what I can see.)</p>

<p>Tino did not embed the sRGB profile in that image so Safari will automatically assign the display profile. On my i1Display calibrated iMac the blue looks intense deep blue and is overall slightly over saturated and contrasty but assigning sRGB slighlty shifts the blue to purple and the foreground shadow at the base of the building lightens and the rest of the image slightly loses a bit of contrast and saturation.</p>

<p>If you are on a hardware calibrated wide gamut LCD display like an NEC and viewing in Safari, there's no telling what color shifts you'll get. I imagine quite a bit over saturated. I don't know how Firefox with color management turned on handles untagged sRGB images.</p>

<p>Tino, now that you've been introduced to the world of color management...TAG ALL YOUR sRGB IMAGES YOU POST ON THE WEB. That's what you paid the technology to do to begin with. Use it! That way it reduces that much level of confusion in determining the source of your problem. You could have a corrupt profile and need to recalibrate. It's anyone's guess at this point.</p>

<p>thanks for the feedback, what i can't understand is how everything is supposed to be configured now that I'm trying to use a color profile.<br /> <br /> please bear with me cause this is getting more confusing for me by the minute. let me just start from the beginning here.<br /> <br /> Do i leave everything alone in vista, after the iMatch software is finished creating a new profile? It automatically assigns the new .icc file as 'default' in icc profles in the color management. I leave this alone right?<br /> <br /> Now, when I startup photoshop, what should i change in there? I'm looking in the 'color settings' menu, and in there I can change working spaces for RGB, CMYK, gray and spot. right now, i have sRGB IEC61...2.1 as the working space. Do i change this or leave it alone?<br /> <br /> then below, there's color management policies, now should i leave these as 'preserve embedded profile' or change them to 'off' or 'convert to working rgb'.<br /> <br /> now the last part that i'm guessing what was being explained by Tim, I have to 'tag' my photos, so how do i go about doing this? I can choose from either the "assign profle" or "convert to profile" in the edit menu.<br /> in the "assign profile" window, i have working RGB or 'profile' which gives me a drop down menu with 10billion options and one of which i'm seeing as my new iMatch profile. now, which do i choose?<br /> <br /> or am i supposed to choose from the "convert to profile" and choose one of the 10 billion options under the 'destination' space drop down menu??<br /> <br /> I don't know if everyone found this stuff this confusing when starting out but my head is about to explode.<br /> all I know is, I'm using this picture as a reference, i've got plenty of other messed up photos now that i'm using these settings. i look at this picture and its not supposed to be purple, i want it to look blue like it should and looks blue on pretty much every non-calibrated monitor that i've seen it on.<br>

<br /> most of the people who will see my work have no clue what monitor calibration is, i just want a setup where my monitors are calibrated correctly, and i don't start messing with colors or contrast that will look great on my system but totally messed up on other displays.</p>

<p>thanks for any help!</p>

<p>Mine head already exploded ten years ago when the industry that created this complex technology was working out the kinks of which I wasn't aware at the time.</p>

<p>But to keep it simple...</p>

<p>In Color Settings choose whatever RGB working space you mostly edit in. All this setting does is automatically assign your Working Space chosen in Color Settings to UNTAGGED images you first open in Photoshop like from some digital camera's and scanners. Whatever Color Setting you choose you need to make sure you have the setting checked in the Advance tab that provides a warning when opening untagged images so you get this warning dialog box.</p>

<p>You can convert to your working space if desired when getting the warning dialog box. This decision will depend on the color space the image was written in like when the AdobeRGB profile is chosen within the digital camera when shooting jpegs and is or isn't embedded/tagged in the image or the output color space chosen in a scanner's software isn't embedded. You don't want to assign sRGB to AdobeRGB digital camera generated jpegs if your working space happens to be set to sRGB and you don't want to convert to sRGB to do further edits to an AdobeRGB generated image because you may be throwing additional color data out that was captured by the device in AdobeRGB converting to a smaller gamut working space like sRGB.</p>

<p>I'm not familiar with what Vista does with its graphics system. If you see your newly made i1match profile chosen as default system profile and it shows up as MonitorRGB-XXXX where X's show the name of your i1match profile in the RGB Working Space dropdown menu within Color Settings then things are working as they should between CS4 and Vista.</p>

<p>However if the blues look purple you may have a corrupt profile and you need to recalibrate by first making sure any settings within Vista video and video card brand manipulation software is not turned on or influencing anything. I'm not familiar with Vista so someone else will have to help you out on that.</p>

<p>Remember Assign means you're only changing the preview, Convert means you're only changing the RGB data but keeping the same preview.</p>

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