johan_de_groote Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 I found a couple of cameras (cleaning up after a relative passed away)and wonder if I should bring them back alive and maybe use them, or just clean them outside and put on a shelf. 1: a Voigtlander Bessamatic with a 50/2 Septon, 135/4 Super-dynarex and 35/3.5 Skoparex. Lenses look clear without scratches but grime and rather stiff 2: Zorki 4 with a 50/1.5 Jupiter 3. Lens has lot of light scratches What would you do with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Currie Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 I'd put at least one roll of film through each one, just for fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franklin_h1 Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 Clean them, use them, post pics here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_m Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 If they work, use them. If not... it depends on how much money you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orvillerobertson Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 I'd ressurect and use the Voigtlander and only clean up the Zorki for the shelf or display case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_the_waste Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 I agree with an earlier poster, run a roll of film through each. You can pick up another Jupiter lens cheaply enough. If the Zorki doesn't work, I could use the take up spool for my Zenit 3 (same spool). Put them to work and enjoy them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gene m Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 I'd give them to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a_e_daly Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 The Zorki 4 is a really nice camera, actually. It's not collectible (there seem to be hundreds of them on *Bay) but it performs well and those Jupiter lens can be really sharp. I say 'can be' because Soviet cameras of that age tended to have uneven quality control. If the camera works, get a new lens for it and try a roll of film. You might be pleasantly surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a_e_daly Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 A Zorki 4K was my first non-plastic camera, so I'm a bit sentimental about them. There's lots of articles online about these cameras. Design-wise they have a nice pedigree, the Zorki 1 was a close copy of the Leica II and it evolved from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Howard Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 I'd give them to Gene, too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_hahn Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 I agree that the Zorki is a very nice rangefinder camera. Too bad about the lens, but you can get one of the Industar 50's for almost nothing... and they are probably better than the more aggressive fast Jupiters (Tessar vs. Sonnar designs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn_mabbutt Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 If you have a local repair shop, I would suggest taking them in for estimates. I've done that with a few cameras, and it rarely costs me over $80/camera to get it fully CLA'd and functioning very well again. If it's going to cost a whole lot, then I'd reconsider, but especially the Zorki is fairly common, and to quote my repair guy, "A rangefinder is a rangefinder." (I questioned him on fixing FSU rangefinders specifically, but that's what he told me. And he's been doing it for 20+ years, apparently, so I believe him :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r.c._booth Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 If the Bessamatic works by all means clean it up and use it. Don't take the meter seriously but you'll be pleased with the Septon. Actually the camera itself is pretty user friendly. I prefer it to the Retina Reflex and have modified my Retina lenses to fit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classcamera Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 Hello, The Zorki is a very straightforward camera to repair, so you may want to get it CLA'd. The Bessamatic is probably the single most difficult SLR to work on, and will run you hundreds of dollars to fix, and in truth it is not worth the trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary_turner1 Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 I have heard so many pro & con comments about Soviet era lenses to include Jupiter 3. All I can say is maybe I lucked out with my M39 mount Jupiter 3, scratched front element and all. I mounted it on a Canon 7 and took comparison shots with a Canon 50mm f1.8 (black barrel)and was astonished with the nice qualities of the Jupiter photos. The images were better than with the Canon lens (my subjective opinion). Maybe my like-new looking Canon lens was not a good example! My good luck with Jupiter lenses extends to the Kiev 4 camera as well. Nice contrast, sharp as a tack. Right up there with some of my Konica III photos. Now I expect to hear from someone that I'm 'full of it'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_the_waste Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 Not at all Gary. My favourite telephoto lens in M42 is a Jupiter 37A. It's a f3.5/135 mm manual stop that I've come to love. Maybe there are better ones around, but I don't think I have to look for one. The best part of it was the price. It was a gift from a friend whose Zenit took a dump on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_oleson Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 I'm kind of the opposite of Orville, I'd get the Zorki running and clean up the Bessamatic for the shelf. I have both, and the Zorki is more dependable, much easier to work on, and (IMO) a bit more pleasant to use. And the Bessamatic certainly looks prettier than the Zorki on a shelf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg_adams Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 Give to Gene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User_503771 Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 Glenn: Who's your repair guy? Does he accept cameras to work on shipped to him? Regarding the topic: I agree, put some film through! Carefully clean the lenses! I have a Zorki 4 also and agree that they're great cameras! Also a FED 3, 5 and 5B. They're all great. I'd like to throw in a vote for the Jupiter 12 (35mm) and the Industar 61 L/D (55mm). Both great lenses! And both available new. If the Zorki works, get it adjusted and it should serve you well. Regarding the Voigtlander, of course I'd pursue it. OR Give 'em to Gene! OR Give 'em to me!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn_mabbutt Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 Michael - no idea if he'll take repairs by mail. His site is <a href="http://www.computechcamera.com/">here</a> - you'll have to ask yourself :) (Note that I'm in Canada.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johan_de_groote Posted December 9, 2007 Author Share Posted December 9, 2007 Thanks for the advise. I'll get some film and see what happens with it. It might be nice to have one of those always ready to use. I found a manual for the Zorki so that will be the first to see action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Currie Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 I didn't look so closely at the list of lenses, etc. (since my approach is if it clicks at all, run a roll of film through it at least once anyway). But the Voigtlander Septon is really nice. If the camera works at all, you really should enjoy a few shots through that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tri-x1 Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Anyone who has a Jupiter 3 that is really and truly sharp should never play the lottery as they have used up their luck. I gave up after buying three of 'em. Get a J-8 or J-12 and enjoy yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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