sam starkey Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 In the old days I mounted my (conventional photographs) on heavy mat board with a Seal dry mount press and they are still in good shape. My problem today, after moving into the digital age is that my large prints are outsourced to a company that I am assuming uses ink jet printing on Kodak paper with a gloss finish and I want to mount them for display. Do I use a cold mount adhesive, are will this type of print withstand the heat of dry mounting without damaging the surface of the print? I need some technical advice from someone with details who is successfully doing this. Thanks for your help Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_strobel1 Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 I'd be interested in hearing this too.I have some prints printed with MIS Eboni on Photorag 308 that I would like to dry mount.Last time I dry mounted was with Kodak RC paper with a seal press at work, and a household iron at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce levy Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 It seems to me that the recent paper remains so flat that you might not need to mount them at all. Why not just hinge them to a mat and carry on from there matting however you like. The nice paper I've seen lately seems to hold a remarkable flatness over time, so why mount them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedharris Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 I can't answer for your specific type of paper but I am reasonably sure my results will apply. I routinely drymount a wide variety of inkjet papers from Red River, Moab and Epson ... both matte and glossy ... to 4 and 8 ply mat board> I sue a relatively low heat setting ... 175 degrees if memory serves ... basically the setting required for Color Mount tissue and do use the Color Mount tissue. no problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry_a Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 I agree with what Ted wrote above but I use 200 degrees F, for two minutes. I've mounted both color and B&W inkjets of various kinds, Fuji Pictro, regular C prints and RC B&W with Color Mount tissue and gotten perfect results everytime. I've detected no color shifts or other damage beyond what normally happens to older injet materials over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonard_evens Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 I've also successfully dry mounted color and b/w ink jet prints using low temperature dry mounting tissue designed for color prints. Afterwards, I apply a spray designed for the purpose. One of my prints is over 5 years old and still looks fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicaglow Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 A report I read said that high quality papers, like those from commercial labs using the Fuji process, for example, should be fine to dry mount, but that cheaper papers may be susceptable to dry mount sheets leeching the ink/dye from the paper itself. It is becoming more common place in museums and galleries to use an archival linen tape to secure prints to their mount along the top edge only, and letting the print "hang" from the tape (with the help of mat board compression). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel_smith6 Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Try PMA (positionable mounting adhesive) if you have any worries about heat and its effect on the image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wieslaw1 Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 My problems are different than the above. I am using fiber base papers and keeping them flat is a major problem. (I do not have an electric print dryer here in the US). I can successfully mount the prints with water-based starch, i.e. home flour, which is the best archival glue, but the whole matt bends due to swelling/shrinking. (RC papers are flat by this method). I used 3M "positioning mounting adhesive", roll 16x50ft, but this is useless. We are talking about 16x20 prints on a 27x32 matts. Dry mounting tissue would be OK, but I am scared to purchase an 80 lbs press needed. I heard about the cold- press mount but am not familiar with it. On the other hand hate to pay a commercial framing shop 10$ just for gluing a single photo. Need to mount 80 of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_o2 Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 A number of years ago I bought a dry mount press and have found it invaluable in by B/W dark room. The double weight papers after drying on fiber glass screens are very curled and about 30 seconds in the press make them manageable for storage or mounting. I talked to another photographer recently who said that he does not dry mount on 4 ply board anymore but dry mounts full frame, including the masked edge without trimming, on 2 ply board. This way he can present a multi-print portfolio that is nice and flat with out final mounting. For framing he then corner mounts on 4 ply mount board and overmats so the corner mounts don't show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian_ellis16 Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 I always dry mounted my traditional photographs because otherwise they wouldn't lie perfectly flat. But every ink jet paper I've used will lie flat without dry mounting (I use only matte papers, I'm assuming this is true of glossy papers as well but I don't know from experience). So with ink jet paper I use an "archival" (whatever that means) tape from Light Impressions across the top two corners of the paper to hold it onto the mat board and then put an overmat on top. Of course this won't work without the overmat to hide the tape. If you don't use an overmat then I think you can dry mount them just as you did your conventional photographs. When I first started with ink jet paper I dry mounted it before I realized I didn't need to do that and those prints look fine about five years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_kronmiller Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 I have not mounted a print since 1992 and am now in the need to do so again. I would appreciate any info for a good reliable source for archival mat board, cutters etc. Thanks for your help one and all! Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce levy Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 In relation to curling of the mount when wet mounting- if you counter mount the back of the mat with pasted bond paper (under weight) the draw of the photo will be countered by the lining sheet on the back and negate any curl. The only thing to know is that the paper grain of the photo and the back lining sheet has to go in the same diection, and it is even better if the mat grain direction is also the same. How do you know the grain direction? I'm glad you asked. If you take a sheet of paper, or board, and flex it as if you were going to fold it in half you will find that the paper or board bends easier in one direction than the other. The direction it is easiest is the grain direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie_holdman Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 I wouldn't use PMA for anything bigger than 11x14. I have had several prints bubble up after time mounted on acid free foam board and matt board alike. Also the crescent perfect mount product is a no no. I have had to redo several large scale photographs after using this product. They tend to bubble up on a regular basis after following their recomendations to a tee! I now use a cold roller system with double sided adheasive that works fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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