grant_. Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 <center> <img src="http://lotusphotography.com/food.jpg"> </center> <p> heres a pic from boston, very spread out city compared to ny. <p> made that with a nikon d100, with a big ole battery pack attatched and a bigass sigma 24mm lens.... <p> they had no clue.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant_. Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 <center> <img src="http://lotusphotography.com/chica.jpg"> </center> <p> same camera specs, cept its a 17mm lens...and about .5 meters away... <p> a camera is only as good as the one holding it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis_couvillion Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 "anything can and does beat a leica...." well, if you mean someone like Elliott Erwitt could take a better picture with a disposable camera than I could with a Leica, I agree. But as far as what camera is best suited for normal and wide-angle street photography, I don't think there is a better camera than a Leica. When you refer to digital cameras, what are you referring specifically? An SLR? Or the point and shoot variety? I'd bet the new Leica CM may, under some circumstances, get a better shot street shot than an M, probably less frequently than an M. While some digital cameras may be very convenient in some shooting circumstances, overall it would be stretching it to say generally that digital point and shoots cameras surpass Leicas in suitability for street photography, if that is what you are suggesting. "show me a photo that could only be made with a leica...and i'll give you all my cameras..." Agree, totally... Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis_couvillion Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 "a camera is only as good as the one holding it" well, grant, you're just one hell of a photographer... ;>) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant_. Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 'better' is a terribly subjective word and is nonsense.... <p> its got no place in the realm of experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheridan Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 It's virtually impossible to tell images recorded with a Leica RF camera. Really, only the photographer knows. (50mm Summicron)<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray . Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 "anything can and does beat a leica...." Well, I guess you didn't mean that literally because if you did it's an exaggeration. Try making a 16x20 silver print from a Stylus Epic and see if it holds up in sharpness to one made with a Summicron. All else being equal, of course. And please don't tell me sharpness isn't something to strive for, at least some of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas_sullivan Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 <center><img src="http://mywebpages.comcast.net/tssullivan/street/images/cruising%20the%20mall.jpg"></center><br><br>slr, 35mm lens,....not a clue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas_sullivan Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 <center><img src="http://mywebpages.comcast.net/tssullivan/street/images/street%20corner%20talkin.jpg"></center><br><br>slr, 35mm lens, not a clue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas_sullivan Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 <center><img src="http://mywebpages.comcast.net/tssullivan/street/images/rabbit.jpg"></center><br><br>slr, 35mm lens................hmmmm, not sure.......couldn't see his eyes ;o) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografz Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 Grant, like many here, is a good photographer. His technique doesn't rely on what camera he is sporting...at least from a content POV. His current preference seems to be a digital camera. So what? As far as I'm concerned, there is very little I couldn't capture with my Canon 1Ds, which is so fast in operation that few people have enough time to react to the "big camera". Yet there is a certain look that the Leica system promotes ...whether it's due to the camera is irrelevant to me...it's just a box to fit lenses to. A pretty reliable box I might add, but just a box. I prefer Leica glass over most others because I shoot in low light a lot and the lenses perform better than most (as a system) when used wide open. The box helps in those conditions because it doesn't have mirror slap. And the lenses produce a look I prefer over say Nikon (which I used for years in both film and digital form). It's just a preference, nothing more. IMO, it's not complicated. Camera to camera in the hands of a skilled shooter (technique being equal), low light work is a bit better quality with a M. For those who don't buy that, let them shoot with what they're comfortable with. It has nothing to do with a photographer's style, approach, content or technique...and everything to do with a preference for a look and feel they personally like. BTW Grant, I'll tell you a photo I can't take with a bigger digital... It is the last few shots after 10 hours of lugging around the SLRD and I just can't hold the damned thing up one more minute. Then I always put it away and finish the job with an M camera. You can send your cameras to me on Monday. Hell, I'll pay the shipping : -) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_ Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 <center> <img src= "http://pages.sbcglobal.net/b-evans/WebImages/8-30-03NYCWe b/image/ny-police.jpg"><BR> <I>Roughly 3 meters away, ultra-wide, didn't even see me</I> </center> www.citysnaps.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografz Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 5 blind cops huh Ray? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografz Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 Oops, I meant Brad. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray . Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 Peter, I HAVE made 16x20 prints from the Leica, why else do you think I would bring it up? "The old put downs about 'bricks' is just good ol boys round the BBQ slagging off at other people using other tools because it is a clubby thing to do - C'mon!! get serious already :))" You've got it in reverse. Nobody is putting your choice down, just defending their own. I don't care what anyone else uses. It's just personal preference, after all, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearhead Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 If Leica put a unique notching in the film gate, something that would be really difficult to replicate at home, then there would be images that could only be taken with a Leica, as long as they were printed full-frame. Music and Portraits Blog: Life in Portugal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant_. Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 <center> <img src="http://lotusphotography.com/smoker2.jpg"> </center> <p> heres a pic at night, not a leica... <p> 1/100@1.4,1000asa <p> night shots if anything are easier with a digital because of the ability to switch asa on the fly. as far as quality, i doubt anyone can tell the difference between my leica and my d100, as if it matters anyway.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant_. Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 <center> <img src="http://lotusphotography.com/chinamanweb.jpg"> </center> <p> leica, 35mm....any diff? <br> nahhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_Es Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 The shot above is far from my best but illustrates a point. I like Leica camera because they are portable and quiet. There are times you need a quiet camera. On a subway you're okay with the mirror up on an SLR. On the street the noise level tends to drown out the shutter. There is less shake with an RF without the reflex mirror but still you have to hold the camera stead. On a train there still vibrations to worry about. Whether people notice you or not is circumstances. If you shoot at eye level chances are they'll notice you. I shot this picture at waist level, pre-focused to about 7 feet. This was shot with an M6 and (I think) a 35/2 ASP. The film is 800 ISO color. The image was slightly sharped and color balanced by Photoshop 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_Es Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 Le's try that again.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis1 Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 I agree with anything grant says.;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant_. Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 alex, you proved my point that a leica by no means improves ones photography...portable and quiet doesnt make one a 'better' photographer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray . Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 OK that's new to me, seriously. Silver prints with a digicam? Could you explain the process to me, I haven't heard of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray . Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 You could get pix LIKE this one with a cam w/ shutter lag, if you're used to shooting with a camera with shutter lag. Suppose you just turned around though and this guy was right on top of you already. Guess what? Shutter lag- you missed it.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travis1 Posted October 10, 2003 Share Posted October 10, 2003 Ray, you can make silver prints with digital images when you convert them into digital negatives , print on OHP and then contact print them. QUality may suffer though, but you get there. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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