MTC Photography Posted May 1, 1999 Share Posted May 1, 1999 How to copy document or taking picture of close up objects with Minox EC.<P><p><img src="http://d6d2h4gfvy8t8.cloudfront.net/18276749-lg.jpg"></br> <p><img src="http://d6d2h4gfvy8t8.cloudfront.net/18276755-md.jpg"></br><p><img src="http://d6d2h4gfvy8t8.cloudfront.net/18276758-md.jpg"></br><p><img src="http://d6d2h4gfvy8t8.cloudfront.net/18276757-md.jpg"></br><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"><html><head> <title>eccopy</title> <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"></head><body> <table cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" border="3" width="80%" bgcolor="#2f6556"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top" width="800"> <blockquote><br> </blockquote> <blockquote><big><font size="+3"><font color="white"><small>COPY & MACRO PHOTOGRAPHYWITH MINOX EC/ECX</small> </font></big></blockquote> <br> </td> </tr> </tbody></table><br><blockquote> <blockquote><br> </blockquote></blockquote><big><br>One great feature of Minox 8x11 camera is its close focusing capability.At its closest distance of 8", the field size is about 3 7/8 x 5 3/8", adequatefor photograph of close up objects like flower, figurine etc. <br><br>Of course, one major application of Minox 8x11 camera is copying documents.<br><br>EC/ECX has a lens fix focused at 2 meter, its near limit of depth of fieldis 1 meter, which is not good for close up photo. <br><br>Can Minox EC be used to copy document or to take picture of close up objects? <br><br>Yes ! By using a closeup lens in front of the EC.<br><br>However, this is easily said than done. <br><br>Unlike SLR camera, with which you can attach a Proxar lens and focus with the TTL viewfinder and <br>get exact focus. For example, attach a Proxar to ZeissIkon Contaflex and take pictures of close up object <br>or copy document is a piece of cake. <br><br>With rangefinder camera which you can change the focus point, using a close up lens is still simple all you have to <br>do is attach the close up (proxar) lens, focus the lens at infinitythen put the object at a distance from the proxar <br>equals to the focal length of the proxar. <br> For example, if you attach a 200m Zeiss Proxar to a Zeiss Ikon Contessa, you focusthe lens of Contessa <br>at infinity, and put the object 20 cm from the Proxar lens( not from the camera ) <br><br> This focus at infinty method works here becausewhen the object is place at the exact focal point of Proxar, it <br>converts the light rays into parallel rays; and if the camera lensis focus at infinity, it focuses the parallel rays <br>onto the film plane. <br><br> Since Minox EC/ECX is not focused at infinity,that makes using Proxar not as simple. <br> You may put the object at a distance of 200mm from the Proxar, and you may argue that since EC/ECX<br>can take picture at infinity, so too it can take picture with a Proxarlens attached. <br> Sure enough, you can, but for better result you must take intoaccount. the characteristics of EC/ECX lens <br><br> I shall describe a technique of using Proxar lens on Minox ECfor close up photography. <br><br><br><br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>ZEISS IKON PROXAR LENSES<br>Zeiss Ikon made a set of proxar lenses of Contaflex and Contessa 35mm cameras.The Zeiss Ikon Proxar set consists of four 28.5mm snap on Proxar lenses off=20cm, f=30cm, f=50cm, and f=100 cm. <br>Attach one for these Proxar lens to the front of Minox EC and put the objectin front of the camera according to the following is the focusing distanceof EC +Proxar. <br><br>The object distances in the following table is measured from the front ofEC <br><br><br></big><big> </big><br><table cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" border="1" width="90%"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top" rowspan="1" colspan="7" bgcolor="#99ff99"><big> ZEISS IKON PROXAR FOCUSING DISTANCE TABLE FOR MINOX EC Martin Tai ,May 1, 1999</big><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#99ff99"><big>ZEISS IKON PROXAR</big></td> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#ffff66"><big>PROXAR f=200 mm</big><br> </td> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#ffff66"><big>PROXAR f=300 mm</big><br> </td> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#ffff66"><big>PROXAR f=500 mm</big><br> </td> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#ffff66"><big>PROXAR f=1000 mm </big><br> </td> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#ffff66"><big>STACK 200+300 f=120 mm</big><br> </td> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#ffff66"><big>STACK 200+500 f=143 mm</big><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#99ffff"><big>Distance(mm)</big><br> </td> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#99ff99"><big>190</big><br> </td> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#99ff99"><big>269 </big><br> </td> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#99ff99"><big>407 </big><br> </td> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#99ff99"><big> 673</big><br> </td> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#99ff99"><big> 124 </big><br> </td> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#99ff99"><big>144</big><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#99ffff"><big>Magnification</big><br> </td> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#99ff99"><big>11.0 </big><br> </td> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#99ff99"><big>16.3 </big><br> </td> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#99ff99"><big>25.6</big><br> </td> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#99ff99"><big>43.3</big><br> </td> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#99ff99"><big> 6.7</big><br> </td> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#99ff99"><big> 8.0</big><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#99ffff"><big>Field Size /inch </big><br> </td> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#99ff99"><big>3.5 x 4.8 </big><br> </td> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#99ff99"><big> </big><big>5.1 x </big><big> 7.1</big><br> </td> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#99ff99"><big> 8x 11</big><br> </td> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#99ff99"><big>13.6 x18.7</big><br> </td> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#99ff99"><big> 2.1 x 2.9 </big><br> </td> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#99ff99"><big> 2.5 x3.5</big><br> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#99ffff"><big>Field size /cm </big><br> </td> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#99ff99"><big>8.8 x 12.1 </big><br> </td> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#99ff99"><big> 13.0 x 17.9 </big><br> </td> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#99ff99"><big>20.4 x 28.1 </big><br> </td> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#99ff99"><big>34.6 x47.6 </big><br> </td> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#99ff99"><big>5.3 x7.3 </big><br> </td> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#99ff99"><big>6.4 x 8.8 </big><br> </td> </tr> </tbody></table><big><br> </big><br><big> <br> Lightest copying setup in the world !<br>A Minox EC plus one or two proxars in the pocket is very compact. As a matterof fact, Minox EC plus a 500mm Zeiss Proxar weights only 55g,much less thenLX (88 g), or a Minox IIIs (65g)> <br>A Minox EC plus a Proxar is the lightest document copying device in the world! <br> <br>For EC users who wants to copy some document from library or takingclose up pictures, a Proxar lens set is a good alternative to buying a focusingMinox. <br><br>Proxar lenses made by other manufacturers are equally useful for close upphotography with EC( The numbers in the above table will be different withdifferent makes of Proxars. <br><br>From the above table, the most useful proxar is 200mm and 500 mm <br> <br> <br><br>My ECCOPIER<br> <br></big><blockquote> <blockquote> <blockquote> <blockquote> <blockquote> <blockquote> <blockquote><big> <img src="http://www3.sympatico.ca/mientronics/public_html/manual/ecopier.jpeg" alt="" width="327" height="157" border="15"> </big><br> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote></blockquote><big> <br> My EC-copier consists of a Minox EC and a Zeiss Ikon 0.5mm Proxar lens <br> <br> With 500mm Proxar, the field size is 8x11", that is a page of bookor document. I tested my ECCOPIER loaded <br>with Ilford PanF plus, rated at EI 64, and test copy a randomly selected book. The book pageis about <br>8.5" x 11". <br><br><br><br></big><blockquote> <blockquote> <blockquote> <blockquote><big><img src="http://www3.sympatico.ca/mientronics/public_html/manual/ec500.jpg" alt="" width="554" height="388" border="15"> </big><br> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote></blockquote><big><br> The distance from 'ECCOPIER' to book page is about 42 cm. Using my Octoscop at 28x magnifcation <br>to check out this 'microfiche' made with my ECCOPIER, every word ( 16 characters per inch ) is clearly copied. <br>even at the four coners. The result is very good. <br> <br><br> The field size from 200mm proxar is 3.5 x 4.8", slightly smallerthan the field size of Minox A/B/C/LX/TLX. <br><br> The 'microfiche' from ECCOPIERwith 0.2M Zeiss Proxar is also very good. <br><br></big><blockquote> <blockquote> <blockquote> <blockquote> <blockquote><big><img src="http://www3.sympatico.ca/mientronics/public_html/manual/ec200.jpg" alt="" width="569" height="388" border="15"> </big><br> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote></blockquote><big><br><br><br><br><br>STACKING PROXARS<br>Note in the column f=120mm is the combined focal length of two stacking proxarsof f=200mm and f=300mm; the field size for these two stacked proxar is about2 x 3" it is the smallest field size one can get from these proxar sets.It may be possible to stackup three proxars, but I think the picture qualitymay not be as good. <br>2 x 3 field from Minox EC, that is already smaller than the field size ofMinox A/B/C/LX/TLX at their closest focusing distance. <br><br>Proxar lenses extend the range of EC from 10 cm to infinity. <br><br>Of course, these same proxar lens can be used on focusing Minox too, andthe "binocular adapter " is extremely useful as a "macro adapter ". But withfocusing Minoxes, it is a little bit more complex, due to the variable focusingrange of these cameras, for a given Proxar, the focusing distance changesdepending where the Minox lens is focused. <br><br>Proxar is not only useful when the Minox is focused at infinity or a fewmeters, but also useful when the Minox camera is focused up close, for instanceat 8", one can get sharp macro picture of stamps. <br> <br><br>Centering of Field<br><br> However, when usingthe technique of document copying with Proxar on EC/ECX,you cannot rely on the <br>viewfinder of the camera, because there is not parallax correction, you must set up EC/ECX to align its lens with <br>the center of the object field. <br> <br><br><br><br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Copy right, martin tai <br>May 1 1999. <br></big><br></body></html> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTC Photography Posted May 3, 1999 Author Share Posted May 3, 1999 <h3> Where to get Zeiss Proxar set </h3> <p> I bought my Zeiss Ikon Proxar set from eBay last year for $20, including a plastic case.(What is the current pricing, I have no idea ). The four Proxar lenses are coated. Very clean.<p> Initially it was meant for my Zeiss Ikon Contaflex SLR, but now I use it more for my Minox EC and Minox C ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnie___ Posted May 22, 1999 Share Posted May 22, 1999 I have an EC and a set of 49mm close-up lenses (+1, +2, +4) that I use with my SLR. Do you know what the equivalence is between the Proxars and the close-ups? For example, might a +4 be the equivalent of a 200mm or 500mm Proxar? Assuming I could tape a lens in place, how would you handle parallax error with the EC? Arnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTC Photography Posted May 22, 1999 Author Share Posted May 22, 1999 Other close up lens can be use too. <p><ul><li>+1 = 100 cm <li> +2 = 50 cm <li> +4 = 25 cm etc.<ul> <p> You can use the Proxar table as a guide; but you need to test and adjust the distance yourself, because the distance of close up lens to the front of EC is different from one make to another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTC Photography Posted February 22, 2001 Author Share Posted February 22, 2001 <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20020411142626/http://www.accessv.com/~martntai/public_html/manual/eccopy2.htm"><h3>Copying with Minox EC + Close up lens </h3></a> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTC Photography Posted February 22, 2001 Author Share Posted February 22, 2001 Copying with EC + 0.2M proxar<p> <img src="http://www3.sympatico.ca/mientronics/public_html/manual/ec200.jpg" > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTC Photography Posted February 22, 2001 Author Share Posted February 22, 2001 Minox EC + 0.5M proxar <img src="http://www3.sympatico.ca/mientronics/public_html/manual/ec500.jpg" > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTC Photography Posted February 22, 2001 Author Share Posted February 22, 2001 <font size=6 color="green">My EC Document copier </font><P><center> <img src="http://www3.sympatico.ca/mientronics/public_html/manual/ecopier.jpeg"></center> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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