Color targets shot on film

Hello!

I need good scans of film stocks which have color targets in the frame. Does anyone know where I can such scans?

I want to create film simulation profiles for my digital camera. What I'm especially looking for is good scans of Kodachrome, Velvia 50 and Ektachrome E100G but I'd be glad to look at images from other film stocks too.

Affordable IT 8.7 (ISO 12641) Scanner Color Calibration Targets

 

Kodachrome is a bit expensive. Lasersoft IT-8 Target Transparency Kodachrome 35mm for generating ICC profiles for film scanners, color management - ScanDig GmbH

There are (or used to be) IT-8 data sets available for free download. No need to shoot, scan or buy an IT-8. Kodak, and possibly Fuji, have already done it for you.

 

Some of the deep greens and bright Cyans will be out of gamut for any practical RGB colour space.

 

Lasersoft produce their own IT-8, and I'm not sure where they're sourcing the Kodachrome these days, or getting it processed.

 

If you ask nicely of Ed Hamrick - producer of Vuescan - he might let you have some datasets. He must have one for nearly every film ever produced.

 

PS. Found some Agfa datasets here.

Edited July 20, 2019 by rodeo_joe|1

I'm sorry for my delayed feedback.

Thank you guys for your replies! I'm not sure how IT-8 targets can help me.

 

I must have expressed my thought not very clear. I have a Digital SG target. It also contains the color patches from ordinary ColorChecker, so it's like two targets in one. I intended to compare some images of this target shot on my DSLR and good scans from various film stocks that in which there is also a Digital SG or ColorChecker targets. Then I would make a profile that will make my DSLR images look like scans.

I intended to compare some images of this target shot on my DSLR and good scans from various film stocks that in which there is also a Digital SG or ColorChecker targets. Then I would make a profile that will make my DSLR images look like scans.

By eye?!

That's going to work I'm sure.

 

Scans of film are effectively 2nd generation copies, and will already have had an RGB transformation and viewing colour space imprinted on them. What good is that?

 

OTOH, film manufacturers' IT-8 datasets are taken by colour densitometer reading, and are direct from the film in a colour-space independent format. A spreadsheet can then directly do the (nearest) transform to whatever RGB colour space is desired.

 

But if you look online, there are many film 'profiles' already available as PS plugins, or whatever.

Not by eye. If I have two images of the same target but shot with different cameras my software can make a profile so that both images look the same. Not necessarily with the native colors of the target but also with the "unnatural" colors from one image.

For example, I have two cameras: Sony and Fuji. I shoot an event with both of them and I want all my images to look like out of camera Fuji jpegs with the Velvia preset. It's possible to do. Sony images will look almost like the Fuji ones. However, in order to do this, it's better to shoot the same target with both cameras in advance.

 

That's why I need some film scans of images containing the Digital SG or ColorChecker targets (the targets I already have).

But your digital camera shots are first generation images, despite some colour tweaking.

 

What I'm saying is that scans are 2nd generation copies, and already have the 'profile' of a scanner embedded in them. So all you'll get is a digital camera image made to look like *insert film type*, scanned on a *insert scanner model*, and squeezed into whatever RGB colour space was chosen for output. It won't look like an original image shot on whatever film. It may not even look like a good scan of that film.

There are MANY variables involved in this, and you can't expect to throw together a bunch of color charts taken with different cameras and lenses, and get any kind of usable result.

 

Here is Modern Photography's comparison of 1983 colors, but I don't think it would help you much

...and you can't expect to throw together a bunch of color charts...

 

The X-rite Digital SG chart (@$300+), which the OP has, is pretty much the premier color chart for making camera profiles.

 

I must be missing something because I don't quite get why he doesn't just shoot the test film himself. Perhaps poor access to a photofinisher who will process and scan those films (kodachrome aside).

The X-rite Digital SG chart (@$300+), which the OP has, is pretty much the premier color chart for making camera profiles.

Then surely there's published reflective densitometry of all its colour patches available?

 

But, being reflective, there's going to be a fairly severe limit on the gamut and density (brightness) range it can present to the capture medium.

 

I believe film IT-8s were produced by direct exposure to a transmissive master, and therefore are far less limited.

So all you'll get is a digital camera image made to look like *insert film type*, scanned on a *insert scanner model*

Yes, I understand this. That's why I asked for "good scans". Surely, the film colors won't be 100% true but we're more familiar with the general looks of some film stocks anyway, not with the true colors. For example, now a lot of people who are asked: "How do images from Fujifilm 400H look like?", I guess would recall the looks of a Noritsu or Frontier scans of this film.

 

I must be missing something because I don't quite get why he doesn't just shoot the test film himself. Perhaps poor access to a photofinisher who will process and scan those films (kodachrome aside).

You are right. First, is that now some good films are not manufactured anymore. Second is that I don't have film labs in my city.

 

Here is Modern Photography's comparison of 1983 colors, but I don't think it would help you much

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Thank you for these images! Although they are of little use to making my own profiles, it's still interesting to look at them.