New canon stuff

<p>Just what we've all been waiting for!</p>

<p>A Rebel t5i that's a virtual clone of the T4i, a Rebel ST1 that's a smaller and lighter Rebel, an STM motor version of the 18-55 kit lens and a 20x zoom digican with GPS and WiFi. The Powershot SX-280 HS does have a new DIGIC 6 processor though, which I think is new. I presume it will find it's way into the 70D and 7D MkII if Canon ever manage to get them to market.</p>

<p>Bet that has Nikon quaking in their boots.</p>

<p>Bob: thank you, now I can lay me down and sleep and stop dreaming of what Canon will do next. I am partial to the number " 5 " so I am glad I waited on the 4. But seriously what are the differences if any ?</p>

<p>It's interesting that, not too many years ago, one Canon's main assets was considered to be their capacity to develop and make their own sensors. Not anymore. The renaming of the 650D is clearly a sign of desperation, at least seen from the point of view of this quite typical mid-range DSLR user. In fact, Canon still haven't caught up with the (Sony) sensor performance in Nikon's D7000 and that camera has now been replaced! Some of us have very little patience with poor dynamic range and ugly chroma noise and banding now that the best m4/3 cameras and even the best compacts don't suffer all that much from it anymore.</p>

 

<p>Historically, it reminds me about differences between 20D and 30D</p>

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<p>"The renaming of the 650D is clearly a sign of desperation..."</p>

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<p>Ah dunno about that. A new but almost the same as the last Rebel has been the yearly pattern for 20 years. I see it as ringing out the last bit of profit for their shareholders from the world's best selling DSLR by "updating" it annually with minor tweaks. Assuming "poor dynamic range and ugly chroma noise and banding" implies you've tested the newest Rebel release. Has Canon caught up to the Sony CMOS ships? Perhaps not but you gotta at least test one to know the answer to that question. According to the press release these two cameras are using a new version of the 18MP chip. Probably performs a wee bit better and who knows, maybe a lot better...</p>

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<p>Historically, it reminds me about differences between 20D and 30D</p>

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<p>The 30D added spot metering. Big difference.</p>

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<p>Has Canon caught up to the Sony CMOS ships? Perhaps not but you gotta at least test one to know the answer to that question. According to the press release these two cameras are using a new version of the 18MP chip.</p>

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<p>OK. It could be that Canon has not only a new version but an entirely new sensor, using new technology, rendering clean shadows. It's just that I'd think that the press release would look a bit different if they did.</p>

<p>The 70D/7Dii will of course make us happy again. In the meantime, we'll admire Canon for being innovative with the 100D/ST1.</p>

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<p>I am partial to the number " 5 "</p>

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<p><br /> I kinda always liked "3"!</p>

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<p>Having recently ordered a "like new" Canon 1.4X II extender at a nice price to use with my 400mm f/5.6 and 70-200mm f/4 IS, I'm hoping Canon delivers on its promise of an April firmware update to the 5D Mark III that will enable the camera to autofocus with a minimum aperture of f/8 instead of f/5.6. From what I've read the version II extender is optically and operationally as good as the III for my older model telephoto lenses.</p>

<p>I know I can barely contain my excitement... ;-)</p>

<p>Ho-hum. Basically, not much news, except the Digic 6, and the possibility that the new 18 MP sensor will show us something. It will be much more interesting to see what they do with replacements for the 60D and 7D. An interview with the CEO some time ago said that the former is definitely coming, but he also suggested that the future of the high end is FF. For some of us, that would be unfortunate. We'll presumably find out within the next six months.</p>

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<p>As Dan touches on, there's some discussion on the rumour sites that the ST1 and possibly the t5i have a <em>new</em> (as opposed to "breathed-on old") sensor.</p>

<p>There has already been quite a lot of noise out there that Canon is about ready to roll out something more akin, low ISO DR-wise, to the Sony sensors in some of the current Nikons, Sonys and Pentaxes, so - if there's truth in this - we may well be looking at a big deal after all.</p>

<p>If low ISO DR matters to you.</p>

<p>Which of course, I understand it <em>has to</em>, if you're a "serious" photographer...</p>

<p>Ho hum. ho hum. Can't think of anything else to say. Except that the live view on my NEX 5N is far better than either my 7D and T4i.. From what I have read it is still slow on the new Rebels. </p>

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<p>There has already been quite a lot of noise out there that Canon is about ready to roll out something more akin, low ISO DR-wise, to the Sony sensors in some of the current Nikons, Sonys and Pentaxes, so - if there's truth in this - we may well be looking at a big deal after all.</p>

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<p>Either that, or the improvements could be on the high ISO end. The 6D seems to have introduced a new class of sensor with greatly improved high-ISO DR and noise. Maybe they've done the same in the t5i?</p>

<p>As per usual, I'm happy Canon has released new stuff because it means the previous generation of cameras will be much more affordable. :) </p>

<p>Personally, the ST1 looks very interesting. Maybe they'll roll out another, wider, pancake. I already use a Rebel with a non-IS 24mm as my light "head out with the family" kit. This could be even better.</p>

<p>Oh, High ISO would be far more interesting to me Sarah - but then again, I can shoot at 3200 ISO and (significantly) higher already and get excellent results from my 7D by converting in either Lr 4 or DxO Optics Pro 8, and as you suggest, Canon seems to have a real handle on high ISO these days - arguably overtaking Nikon in the high ISO stakes <em>just as DxO Labs' website decides that low noise at high ISOs doesn't really matter any more.</em><br>

<br /><br />Low ISO DR is the current flavo(u)r of the month on the forums these days, and - according to some - the only thing that matters: unless you can lift shadows cleanly by 4 stops, you simply can't take worthwhile pictures, it would appear.<br>

<br /><br />Ironically, I can do that too, with some intelligent conversion and processing decisions..!</p>

<p>If you do video, I'd say the new STM kit lens <em>is</em> a step forward. Otherwise, Canon has -- as already pointed out -- often made small incremental steps in some of their upgrades.</p>

<p>I believe that the new sensor has an improved system for hybrid AF which is used when shooting video and in Live view. It combined both phase sensitive AF pixels and contrast detection. The T4i has it I think, but maybe it's better now, It's primary use is probably to give better focus tracking when shooting video. It's not 100% clear if the T5i and SL1 use the same sensor or if the T5i inherits the T4i sensor. Canon's PR didn't call the sensor of the T5i "new", but the SL1 PR does talk about a "..newly developed 18.0-megapixel CMOS (APS-C) sensor". I'd assume if the T5i had it they'd have mentioned it.</p>

<p>I'd assume if Canon had gone to a new sensor architecture with 0.18 micron fabrication and on chip A/D converters (like Sony), we'd have heard about it!</p>

<p>As for the T4i vs T5i, the T5i can display special effects (filters) in real time when in Live View and the mode control dial now rotates through 360 degrees. I think the texture of the plastic bodyshell may also be different. I'm not aware of any other differences.</p>

<p>The SL1 is somewhat interesting, though it still has to use full size EF or EF-S lenses. One might wonder if Canon see it as an alternative to a mirrorless camera and are less committed to the EOS-M line. They certainly haven't done much with the EOS-M since it was introduced. No updates, no new lenses, nor more "advanced" model. Maybe they figured that they couldn't go head to head with Sony so they're steering a different course with the smallest conventional DSLR they could make. The only issue there is they still hav eto have a 44mm flange to sensor distance which limits how thin you can make the camera.</p>

<p>The SL1 has me so(!) excited! It's so small! ...and cute! With a small lens fitted it'll definitely fit into a cargo pocket!</p>

<p>LOL, kidding of course... I am struggling to find the differences between the T4i and the T5i though...</p>

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<p>I haven't been this excited since Canon brought out the 18-55mm with IS. When you bring out 2 new cameras and the kit lens shines the brightest you are doing something wrong.</p>

<p>That being said I will probably buy the T5i with the STM lens. I need a backup to my Rebel XSi.</p>

<p>They need a 20mm pancake now. </p>

<p>Canon appear to have lost the plot</p>

Be nice, everyone. I may be a (mostly) Nikon shooter, but I still have my 300D, and the ST1/100D (not the name I was expecting) actually

looks quite appealing - if not quite as light as my Eos 500. Not sure the T5i is all that amazing, but I have a little touch screen and on-sensor

AF envy. I'll be just as interested to see the 7D2 as I will be by a D400, partly because they'll probably turn up at the same time...

 

I'm sure they'll sell perfectly well anyway. :-)

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<p>Canon appear to have lost the plot</p>

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<p>I thought they had lost it some time ago - increasingly pedestrian offerings, hefty price increases. I've mostly moved to M4/3s. This certainly isn't going to make me switch back.</p>

<p>Being a gear head. . . posting on a gear head forum. . . .I think the consensus has this one nailed. Canon has a fair amount of competition right now, and they just released a retread. The 20D/30D retread was pretty brazen -> but at that time, there was no real completion for Canon to contend with. The 20D/30D clones definitely made me wait a full generation for my upgrade.</p>

<p>Now, I am not a rebel buyer. . but this does not broker well for the next set of models which I *am* interested in buying. Here's to hoping for something ground breaking in the 7DII and 70D!</p>

<p>I don't think this is evidence of plot-loss - not every release in every DSLR market segment has to be a paradigm shifter.</p>

<p>I suspect we'll be seeing some interesting stuff with the 70D and 7D Mk II though.</p>