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    D300 and noise with TIFF convertions

    in Nikon

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    <p>You can't use ViewNX2 as a user-controllable noise-reduction tool.</p>

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    <p>I know, Matt. But until the TIFFs started looking so noisy, I have never felt the need for noise reduction software. Actually I have never had any noise reduction software. But I don't use high ISO values very often, and that is because I want to avoid the noise rather than having to clean up the photos. (I understand that it is easy to do if you have LR4.)</p>

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    <p>You might, Ann, also try a free trial of a couple of Corel's products.</p>

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    <p>Thanks for the tip. I'll look into that if I would want to buy imaging software. Gimp is fine for now. I am looking forward to seeing how the effects of the 16 bits files will be.</p>

    D300 and noise with TIFF convertions

    in Nikon

    Posted

    <p>This might be a dumb question, but I am under the impression that I can get the same results with ViewNX2/Gimp that any of you can get with LR4. Except that ViewNX2 hasn't got a noise reduction, and neither do Gimp.</p>

    <p>Isn't it just adjustment of exposure, colors, colortemperature, color balance, tint, hue/saturation and levels? The end result you would be getting would be the same, wouldn't it? I find the sharpening in Gimp to be decent too, at least if the image is not too soft to begin with.</p>

    Suggest any interesting picture project ideas superzoom users might try

    in Casual Photo Conversations

    Posted

    <p>Photos made with the longer superzooms on flickr is often of birds, zoo animals and church towers. I have studied a lot of photos from flickr groups of many different point and shoots, including super zooms (all these cameras usually have their own flickr group).</p>

    <p>You can take photos of anything within reach of the given focal lengths. It is hard to think of a really special motif. I don't know if that particular camera is capable of fast af shooting. If it is not, people, animals or birds moving is probably not what you would be able to shoot with good results.</p>

    D300 and noise with TIFF convertions

    in Nikon

    Posted

    <p>Lex, thank you for that explanation. I think that if you do a lot of shooting under similar lighting conditions, LR wouldn't be much more time consuming than ViewNX2. I usually don't have sets of photos with similiar ligthing conditions. So presets wouldn't be of much help to me. (I would have to make too many of them for it to be of any practical use. I think.)</p>

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    <p>I'm having to re-edit hundreds of D2H NEFs to get better results.</p>

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    <p>Do you think that that is caused by the software? Not you being better at post processing now?</p>

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    <p>....rather than trying to understand everything at once by reading a few posts.</p>

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    <p>I like to know what is going on, Mary. Hopefully it will result in informed decision making :-)</p>

     

    D300 and noise with TIFF convertions

    in Nikon

    Posted

    <p>Thank you for your suggestion, Lex. But I can do that with the trial version myself. I kind of don't want to, though. I shouldn't have to buy a whole new RAW converter just to get a better TIFF convertion. I think Nikon should be able to fix that in ViewNX2. Can it be that hard to get it right? Or at least better than it is today?</p>

    D300 and noise with TIFF convertions

    in Nikon

    Posted

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    <p>You're not limited to LR4. It can be used as an intermediary step in prepping a file for additional manipulations in a pixel level editor.</p>

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    <p>I know that, Lex. But you would have the convertion process there too.</p>

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    <p>That seems to contradict what you've been saying throughout this thread: that you're *not* getting satisfactory results from View NX, at least in terms of noise reduction.</p>

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    <p>There is no noise reduction going on in ViewNX2. If Matt's explanation is correct. Just noise 'hiding'. The NEF files doesn't look any different regarding noise, just the TIFFs.</p>

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    <p>LR4.3 has camera calibration/profile presets that neatly emulate Nikon's own in-camera settings.</p>

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    <p>Does it come with that, or do you have to make your own preset?</p>

    D300 and noise with TIFF convertions

    in Nikon

    Posted

    <p>I am still confused by the same fact as when I started out. Because if the file convertion to TIFF is supposed to include the changes I make to the NEF file (appear to make), which Wouter said it should, then there is just something missing in that convertion. I get the colors and 'exposures', but not the same sharpness and much more noise. So this embedded, lossy compressed jpeg that I am watching in ViewNX2, is not included in the same way in the TIFF file (converted to the same appearance). Maybe it is not possible to get this better. But I think this has gotten worse. Since I haven't noticed it before. I only recently noticed the sharpness issue too.</p>

    <p>I believe I have the option to shoot TIFFs with my D300. Maybe I should do that instead :-)</p>

    <p>Mary, I hope I don't have to use DNG convertions to get a better result.</p>

    D300 and noise with TIFF convertions

    in Nikon

    Posted

    <p>The reason why I left LR when the trial period was over (several years ago), was that ViewNX did a much better job than I did to get a decent result from a NEF file. Without me having to do all the work in LR. I would spend maybe half an hour on a file in LR just to find out that the NEF file shown in ViewNX was 'already there'. Just a few tweaks were necessary and I was done (if I had nailed the exposure, that is). Now I do more fine tuning in Gimp compared to what I did back then (in addition to the adjustments I do in ViewNX2).</p>

    D300 and noise with TIFF convertions

    in Nikon

    Posted

    <p>Wouter, I thought that those would be the answers. And that is why I don't understand why more noise in showing up in the TIFF files than in the NEF files.</p>

    <p>The changes I make to the files in ViewNX2 is better/easier done in ViewNX2 than in Gimp. That is why I do them there.</p>

    <p>So, I still have the same understanding of how things are working as when I started this thread. If there is a missing link somewhere, it is still missing. Is anyone able to explain that to me in one sentence?</p>

    D300 and noise with TIFF convertions

    in Nikon

    Posted

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    <p>So, if the original NEF is quite fine, DO NOT change any setting in ViewNX2 at all, and just export it directly.</p>

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    <p>Why is that, Wouter?</p>

    <p>Are 'the changes' I make to the NEF files supposed to be included in the TIFF convertion or not? </p>

    <p>Does the D300 apply noise reduction in-camera when I have turned it off?</p>

    <p>There in no noise reduction feature in ViewNX2, as far as I can tell.</p>

    D300 and noise with TIFF convertions

    in Nikon

    Posted

    <p>Wouter, I have had this workflow for many years, and I like both programs. (ViewNX2 and Gimp). I was hoping I could continue using them, because they are fine for my needs. If I can't find a better TIFF converter, I would have to look into other software. At least I would like to check out if another converter would give a TIFF file that is more like the 'adjusted' NEF file.</p>

    <p>Matt, there is no noise reduction applied to my files. The NEF files are quite fine and the TIFFs are not, regarding noise. I have known for many years that the NEF files do not change. That is why I wrote that they 'appear' to be changed.</p>

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    D300 and noise with TIFF convertions

    in Nikon

    Posted

    <p>Mark, I agree with what you are saying, exept that I don't own a D700 (yet?). But you are confirming what I have been reading about it. That being said, the TIFF convertion makes the noise considerably worse than it appears to be on the NEF files. So I would have to try out another TIFF converter. Maybe I should give Raw Therapee a go. I wonder if that was the one I tried some years ago. I am not sure. If it is the one I tried, I couldn't figure out all the controls at that time. They were too complex for me. I didn't find the user interface to be self explanatory. And everything about a DSLR and post processing was new to me then. Maybe I would do better today.</p>

    <p>It sounds like LR4 is basically doing the same things as it did when I tried it out, Lex. Is LR4 working with the NEFs, and can I convert the files to TIFFs from LR4?</p>

    2013 Photo Project - Week #6

    in Casual Photo Conversations

    Posted

    <p>Simon, I haven't looked much at your photos before this project, but you've got the touch. Definately. You know how to do it so that the whole package looks just right. Loved the little boy with the coockie and now the King and you, shot at that camera angle. That's gonna be a classic. By the way, the King is here too. The King and I were just having a fight. Play fighting is high up on his daily to do list. I guess ya all didn't know that. Or the fact that he looks kind of furry.</p>

    Adapters to Canon EOS

    in Canon EOS Mount

    Posted

    <p>Hi guys, I am entering the Canon world, and I am starting out as a complete novise. I might be needing some help along the way in the beginning. My first question is about adapters. I have found a couple of links:</p>

    <p>1) <a href="/canon-eos-digital-camera-forum/00ZjCl">Photo.net</a><br /> 2) <a href="http://technoclopedia-canon-eos.com/index.htm?/frames/lens_accessories_mount_adapters.htm">Technoclopedia</a></p>

    <p>Is Novoflex or Fotodiox still the best way to go if I want to use Nikon lenses on Canon EOS bodies?<br>

    <br /> Which ones should I be using with older Olympus and Minolta lenses on Canon EOS bodies?</p>

    D300 and noise with TIFF convertions

    in Nikon

    Posted

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    <p>If you want cleaner files, download trial versions of Noiseware, Noise Ninja or other utilities with good noise reduction capabilities.</p>

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    <p>Do they work with TIFF files, Lex? I still will have the problem that my TIFF files are softer than my NEF files, though.</p>

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    <p>Better yet, download the trial version of Lightroom and try it for a month. You may not want to bother again with any other program, other than for extensive manipulations.</p>

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    <p>I don't know what Lightroom is capable of now, it is a long time since I have tried it. Does it do levels, curves, layers and filters?</p>

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    <p>And if you're seeing significant noise at anything below ISO 800, your monitor probably needs to be recalibrated.</p>

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    <p>No, don't think I do. But I will look out for it.</p>

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    <p>Also, there's no particular need to convert to TIFF unless you're using an editing utility that cannot directly handle raw files, or as a lossless output file for printing.</p>

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    <p>I don't print much. I need the TIFF files to be able to use Gimp. Nikon ViewNX2 isn't enough for the processing.</p>

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