Zone System/under over exposure in Large Format Posted January 10, 2001 This is my first time here on the Q&A forum, and lucky me that I can find such an interesting argument along. I should hang around more to learn. <p> I have been spending recent couple of months on B&W developing and maybe I can share my experience (though might not be truth). <p> By varying the exposure, it can surely deliver different contrast in theory. But whether it can delivers your required contrast, density, tonal change, graininess, film base clarity etc. at the same time, or with each element under your expected range of control? It is highly questionable (esp. in B&W development when your method is highly unstable). <p> Personally, I think the key idea of AA's zone system is to collect the necessary details that you want to the film where you can transform such infomation to an effect you want on the photo. In other term, it highly relates to contrast control. In order to vary the contrast of B&W, people have created a number of methods. Some use filters, some use chemicals, some use different darkroom equipment, some adjust time / temperature / dilution / agitation / exposure.....some do it in a more "clever" way by scanning the film and adjust contrast on screen, or buy a different film for different occasions. As long as the method fits into your requirement, I think its fine. <p> And if you are trying to use the darkroom developing techniques to resolve the problem, my experience is that you really have to spend some time on practising. The key matter is consistency. You have to adopt a strict procedure to control your development, including liquid temperature, dev. time, agitation styles, dev. timing etc.. Say for an example, you can start with Kodak's film datasheet and use their development datas as a start (say like T-Max 100 roll film, tank development, 21 degree). Then take a number of pictures with consistent exposure (I prefer to use grey card, grey scale and with consistent branketing) and see the result (density, contrasy, graininess, tonal change etc). Say like if you found the best film which works along with your requirement (eg. fits to your enlarging equipment), and under this development method it can render details within range of over-3, under-3 range of exposure with acceptable graininess. Then ongoing you know what you can capture on the film when you press the shutter, and also understand on which side you should lean on (over/under) that deliver what you want. This method basically derives from zone system, and it really takes time to practise, and my advise is to make it simple first and try for at most two / three development combinations (usually Kodak will offer you the dilution / temperature combinations) for each film. Personally, I have tried 1:1, 3:1, pure liquid at the moment with D- 76 and T-Max 100, with a number of development time / agitation method / temperature combinations. If you can deliver stable result on your devp skill, and each time you can adjust a single element of developing and see the result (ie. Kodak suggests we use developing time to control contrast, does it really works, or by what magnitude it works, or even by what time the contrast / development time relation comes to inverse?). It is fun, but it is also pain over the neck. Nevertheless, it renders you with the information required to handle different lighting situations, even the extreme ones, and get the required details you like into your film. <p> I have seen a couple interesting articles of AA on the story befind his photos, and I think he has taken a lot of pain and puzzle in order to derive the zone system which we still use today. I think it worths to pay some time in the darkroom in order to understand his wisdoms (and also discover the things untold by AA). <p> Brian Kong
Zone System/under over exposure
in Large Format
Posted
This is my first time here on the Q&A forum, and lucky me that I can
find such an interesting argument along. I should hang around more
to learn.
<p>
I have been spending recent couple of months on B&W developing and
maybe I can share my experience (though might not be truth).
<p>
By varying the exposure, it can surely deliver different contrast in
theory. But whether it can delivers your required contrast, density,
tonal change, graininess, film base clarity etc. at the same time, or
with each element under your expected range of control? It is highly
questionable (esp. in B&W development when your method is highly
unstable).
<p>
Personally, I think the key idea of AA's zone system is to collect
the necessary details that you want to the film where you can
transform such infomation to an effect you want on the photo. In
other term, it highly relates to contrast control. In order to vary
the contrast of B&W, people have created a number of methods. Some
use filters, some use chemicals, some use different darkroom
equipment, some adjust time / temperature / dilution / agitation /
exposure.....some do it in a more "clever" way by scanning the film
and adjust contrast on screen, or buy a different film for different
occasions. As long as the method fits into your requirement, I think
its fine.
<p>
And if you are trying to use the darkroom developing techniques to
resolve the problem, my experience is that you really have to spend
some time on practising. The key matter is consistency. You have to
adopt a strict procedure to control your development, including
liquid temperature, dev. time, agitation styles, dev. timing etc..
Say for an example, you can start with Kodak's film datasheet and use
their development datas as a start (say like T-Max 100 roll film,
tank development, 21 degree). Then take a number of pictures with
consistent exposure (I prefer to use grey card, grey scale and with
consistent branketing) and see the result (density, contrasy,
graininess, tonal change etc). Say like if you found the best film
which works along with your requirement (eg. fits to your enlarging
equipment), and under this development method it can render details
within range of over-3, under-3 range of exposure with acceptable
graininess. Then ongoing you know what you can capture on the film
when you press the shutter, and also understand on which side you
should lean on (over/under) that deliver what you want. This method
basically derives from zone system, and it really takes time to
practise, and my advise is to make it simple first and try for at
most two / three development combinations (usually Kodak will offer
you the dilution / temperature combinations) for each film.
Personally, I have tried 1:1, 3:1, pure liquid at the moment with D-
76 and T-Max 100, with a number of development time / agitation
method / temperature combinations. If you can deliver stable result
on your devp skill, and each time you can adjust a single element of
developing and see the result (ie. Kodak suggests we use developing
time to control contrast, does it really works, or by what magnitude
it works, or even by what time the contrast / development time
relation comes to inverse?). It is fun, but it is also pain over the
neck. Nevertheless, it renders you with the information required to
handle different lighting situations, even the extreme ones, and get
the required details you like into your film.
<p>
I have seen a couple interesting articles of AA on the story befind
his photos, and I think he has taken a lot of pain and puzzle in
order to derive the zone system which we still use today. I think it
worths to pay some time in the darkroom in order to understand his
wisdoms (and also discover the things untold by AA).
<p>
Brian Kong