edward_chung

I have all my lenses mount on the Sinar shutter and it works great. The front opening is 84.5mm, so I can mount everything on it. Even a 420mm heliar. Also I have made some adapter for the shutter to fit on any camera with a front stand larger than 140mm x 140mm.

 

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Just finishing my own 16x20 camera and keep looking for a lens to put

on. Anyone out there have any idea on the Big Dagor lenses? Do you

know where I can located one? Thanks, Edward Chung

I was planning to buy an 11x14 Phillips camera and wondering anyone

out there have any experience on this camera. Or, where should I

start to find one on the net. Thanks in advance. Edward Chung

The reason why for a 16x20? First, I don't believe any enlargement will have better quality than contact print. Second, I am doing platinum print and this is the only way that I can do it in 16x20 format. As far as I know, there are many super lenses that will cover this format. The Zeiss Protar Series V with F18 - 460mm, 632mm, 947mm, , Dagor F7.7 - 480mm, 620mm, 1000mm, Zeiss Protarlinse 970mm+970mm, Voigtlander Collinear/ Kollinear Series II F6.3 - 440mm 520mm, 600mm, will all cover 16x20 inch very well with sharp corners and image.

The only information I got in hand is from the Zeiss Lens book that listed the 265mm Protar lens will cover 9.5x11.75" at F18 and 10.25x13.75" at F36 also there is a Chinese web page http://www.greenviewclub.com/Chat/CameraManual/Protar/Protar.htm marked the lens had a image circule of 680mm. But from the Wisner page the 275mm will cover 20x24". My 16x20 hasn't arrived yet. But to my experience that my 210mm F18 Protar can cover my 8x10 very well but it couldn't cover 11x14 with movement. So I guess the 265mm is only for 11x14 with movement. But for sure that my 480mm F18 Protar will cover 16x20. Thanks, Edward

Just brought 2 lenses and have no idea whether it would cover my 16x20

with movement. There are: 265mm 1:18 Protar, 370mm F7.7 Collinear.

As far as I know there are five brands for the Protar V lenses:

-Carl Zeiss

-B&L

-Ross

-E.Krauss

-An Italy company (and I forgot the name).

 

I have this brands in different focus length. I have tested them and results that E. Krauss has the largest coverage, then Ross..Zeiss and last B&L.

If you are interest please vist my homepage at:

http://www.greenviewclub.com/Chat/CameraManual/Protar/Protar.htm

 

Edward Chung

If we are talking on the Series V with an F18 lens than the 112mm will

be a good lens for the 4x5 and the 141mm for the 5x7. I have two 180mm

(one Zeiss and the other B&L) tested on my Deardorff 8x10, both

wouldn't have very shape image at the corner. I have also tested

another 183mm E.Krauss Protar F18 lens which had a better result but

won't be good either. From the Zeiss catalogue you should use the

210mm to cover the 8x10 format where it is true for my 212mm E.Krauss

Protar. If you want to have a copy of the catalogue I can send it by

mail.

Sorry, I forgot to mention the lens should be a Voigtlander Collinear

310mm F6.3.

You can try the Voigtlander Collinear. I had one use for many years on

my Deardorff 8x10 and it provides a lot of movement. From the

information I have the lens will cover 11x14 at F22.

Hi Dongyun again.

 

I won't suggest you for the 23 model unless you will not have a chance to go further on 4x5. The reasons are. Price for the two models 6x9 & 4x5 are almost the same (the Tech V 4x5 is even cheaper than the 69 V). The weight of the two camera is almost the same too (the 69 V = 4.5 pounds and the 45 V = 6 pound). I am much comfort on my Tech V 45 with the combination of using a Sinar Zoom back for 120 film and the 545i back for 4x5. In such way I do not have to un-load the ground glass back (I have broken twice on my tech 69) in addition it save me a lot of time switching my focus to a taking mode. The lens board is also a big saving because you can use Toyo and Nikon made for the 45 but you have stick to Linhof for the 69.

Linhof has never made a 69 with the front swing function. Currently the most popular one is the model IV which I think is the most solids camera ever build among the Tech 69s. There are a lot of model III out there but not a very good chose from a user point (its age and rotating back design). The model Va is a tan color one with 4 plastic hooks holding the back in place of the rear body parts. Those plastic hooks are offer found to be broken and there is no way to fix it today. The Vb as you mention is the black version with improvement and a flip top function which allow you to rise the front plane when using wide angle lens.

Congratulations! You just find one best camera Linhof have ever been made. From your description it should be a Technika 23 model Vb. It had an improvement on the locking mechanism of the back (this one use the metal hook and the pervious one use plastic). Its allows you to shift L/R, tilts B/F and rise and drop (by dropping the front bed). It also features rotating back and triple extension bellows. The camera will fit with all of the current accessories (backs, lens board�..). The one I own cost me $2000 for the camera body. Do not hesitate to ask your questions.

From your description it should be a Tech IV. The camera can take lens from 47mm to 300mm(Tele). I had used my 47 Super Anglon with my camera for hundred of times either for landscape or tabletop and nothing confuse me. For my experience the Sch-Anglon is not as sharp as the Supper one, especially when you open wide. The Super Rollfilm Back is using a level wind to advance the film and the Un-super one use a knob. Price in the States goes around $350 -$600 for Super type used one. The model IV will not take the current lens board and the best way is make them by yourself (2mm thick board).

There are actually 2 version for grip mount. The old one mounts the grip from the bottom of the mounting base and the new one from top. You can not use the new version grip to the old mount base. But this is nothing concern for the camera format.

The are two early Tech 23 without the RF. The first is the "Study" and the second is the "Study 70". The "Study" is a one same as the IV model but without the RF and the "Study 70" is the model same as the V. From a user point of view the Study 70 is the best because you can use all the current accessories. But the worse thing is that the 4 plastic hook that hold the back into the camera body was often found to be broken. This never happen on the Study model with metal hooks. I brought my Study for $400 (reasonable price) and Study 70 for $1200 (which is expensive I guess). You can check with Midwest Photo for their update price.

The Super Rollex never had a spring return, it has to be brought back manually. The rubber roller will roll about one round if you had just finished the back with a roll of film, than it will stop by a mechanism inside it. Your can release it by pushing the 2 metal pin together on the back of the film holder. By keep pushing the two metal pin you can start rolling the rubber roller (this is painful and you must have three hand to do this) and the film counter will advance and stop at "1". Release the counter by slide the releasing button (with a little red arrow on it) and than you can advance to the second frame by rolling the roller. After you finished the number "10th" frame, release the metal pin and the counter will reset to "0". If all these function properly than the back is in working condition.

If is it is really for architectural work, than you need to use it with WA lens for rise& fall with shift fuction. The TK23 is a good choose with roll film as well as the Arca Swiss with 6x9 version. The M679 is a like brother with the Sinar P2 but with less fuction (and it almost price the same, so it is no worth to invest. I think it is better for digtial job). There are two other option for you,one is the Sinar Handy and the Linhof Techna which specialy build for architectural work with a 4x5 format (of cause you can use it with roll film). Both camera use helicoed lens to focus on ground glass without bellow, but with full fuction for architectural work. Email with any questions.

Linhof 2x3 model IV, Va or Vb will be the best. There are small and portable (e.g. the Study only weight below 3 pounds). I would suggest you looking for a "Study model V". With this model you can use the current accessories like lens board.... Althrough the camera take 6x7 but it also takes 6x9 format which is much better for landscape. I have all the model of this camera, email with your questions. You can check with Midwest Photo Exchange for update price.