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<p>I really like this question, and it's easy to understand why it arouses so much interest.<br>

A you have said, so much about beauty in general is subjective and<br>

varies from individual to individual, and from one culture to another.<br>

What makes a nude photo art is our own judgment of it; our own subjective perception of it,<br>

filtered by all of our individual life experiences and our core personalities.<br>

Our cultural environment plays a part as well.<br>

I think that as human beings we all have an innate sense of what beauty is ,<br>

in whatever form it comes in, and can easily identify it even if we can't explain it on a<br>

rational level; even if we can't quantify it .<br>

We know beauty when we see it, we know symmetry , balance, and loveliness<br>

when we confront it, but the psychological processes that we engage to come to such valuations<br>

are a mystery.<br>

We can more easily describe what feelings are aroused in us when we view a<br>

nude artistic photo than describe how and why we came to have such feelings.</p>

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<p>Nuts, that's what that law is.<br>

You folks down there in the US of A grow some real dandies.<br>

I lost most of whatever respect l had for your government with Hurricane Katrina;<br>

saw how inhumanly you treat your own people.<br>

Now 15 years in the can for filming cops?<br>

Yikes.<br>

Glad to live in Canada , thanks.<br>

And no, l don't care to visit or beg to get across your border for a shopping excursion.<br>

They might see my camera and think it's a gun or a bomb, <br>

and do the 100 bullet thing.<br>

I need my car tires.</p>

<p>Gorgeous photos.<br>

That Minolta and whatever lens you used is very good.<br>

I don't usually comment but<br>

..</p>

<p>Nuts.<br>

Who cares.</p>

<p>Youtube " going back", by Phil Collins.<br>

New song.<br>

The song is sympathetic to your juxtaposition <br>

of the past, and the here and now.</p>

<p>NICE BIKE.<br>

CAN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT OLY OR SONY 4/3 STUFF</p>

<p>BTW, i noticed you emphasized that it works, "at all speeds ".<br>

That's the thing about the german cameras, i think.<br>

They seem to just keep on going.<br>

I have a very humble Zeiss Contina 35mm , with the flip up meter.<br>

It too still works at all speeds.<br>

I love the old German cams of the 40s, 50s, 60s.</p>

<p>I have once again lost my heart to a car... that Galaxy!<br>

She's a beaut!<br>

Your photos do have both an excellent tonal range and a really classic <br>

look to them!<br>

Nice.</p>

<p> Kidding, of course.<br>

I hear that the 135 -3.5 pen is better than the f2.5-<br>

that is the one i have.<br>

The contour of that camera is an aesthetic in itself.</p>

<p>Looks like mostly a bunch of junk.<br>

I can take it off your hands if you feel really desperate.</p>

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<p>Thanks for your post, Mike.<br>

I just bought a C35 EF for cheap, but it reads light ok it seems.<br>

Put a dollar store 1.4 battery in it and the meter<br>

responds to EV variations.<br>

I hope that it works as well as yours!</p>

<p>By de-facto, a redundant and droll submission bordering on phishing or trolling, crudely put to the good intellect of the photo.net community.<br>

This type of experiment reminds me of how desperate the media and major distributors of popular culture have become. They and all of us have become saturated with information, so that nothing seems new anymore. When that happens, i think a culture can become more willing to accept anything as art,as long as it is DIFFERENT.<br>

Give me a cell phone and the blessing of a big sponsor and i could take photos and have them marketed and published, no problem. Anyone could. Shock has a value in popular culture and art; always has for a hundred or more years.</p>

<p>Silliness.<br>

<br /> This proves nothing except to the person involved.<br /> If i were to send in photos to a fashion magazine<br /> taken with a one time use camera they would not<br /> bother to send me a rejection letter.<br>

The premise of a successful art piece not<br>

being dependent ( with some exceptions) on the best equipment,<br>

but rather to the person using such<br>

remains an inviolate truth.</p>

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<p>It would make a satisfactory paperweight<br>

or as oddity for coffee table.</p>

<p>Nice photos.<br>

Extremely contrasty.<br>

The interior is my fav; it's a knockout pic if ya ask me.</p>

<p>Hello all.<br>

Same thing here in the great white north.<br>

Camera stores are rare to non existent that still sell used film stuff.<br>

Ten years ago the stores that did not adapt to the digital age<br>

went out of business.<br>

I miss Xxxxxx photo developing but he did not or could not adapt in 2001.<br>

I can still see him selling his stuff on the sidewalk just before the store died.</p>

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<p>Makes me want to go out and get one of these things.<br>

Very sharp.<br>

must have had 'er stopped down pretty good<br>

for the DOF as show.<br>

Thanks for sharing the pics.</p>

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<p>Some of the ugliest cameras ever produced, irrespective of<br>

any other qualifications , would include the following.<br>

1. Argus "Brick" - boring and hard to hold<br>

2. kodak 35RF -very, very ugly -awkward to use<br>

3. King Regula<br>

4.Rollei 35<br>

<img src="file:///C:/DOCUME~1/Owner/LOCALS~1/Temp/moz-screenshot.png" alt="" /></p>

<p>All i could add is that i can concur with most of the above.<br>

But don't you all think its as much the look and FEEL<br>

of those cameras- SP in point here, that we love and long for so much?<br>

I am not trying to fish here at all for a new topic.<br>

Very happy for you Andy!</p>

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<p>They have a narrow market and they won't<br>

make money if they give 5000 dollars of camera technology<br>

in a cheap body so we can all be happy.<br>

Its a top notch body and features and big cost,<br>

or a mediocre rig that keeps us all whining.<br>

That way they can " improve" the next consumer model<br>

by adding a feature missing on the last one.</p>

<p>The answer , for all of the rest is simple.<br>

They could but they want to make more money.<br>

Sorry to boil it down to such a simple<br>

explaination, but thats about it.</p>

<p>Just looked again at the gas pump photo.<br>

At f3.5 that must be a <em>very</em> good lens.</p>

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<p>Try some shots in B&W;<br>

the tones will be quite rich and the photos <br>

should have that ephemeral "classic" look to them. ( N.P.I.)</p>

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