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<p>you could always post another message indicating the modifications you wish to make...if the "error" is not serious, don't bother!</p>

<p>24-120 F4!</p>

<p>Mary Doo: "I have no idea what this D800 bash is about."<br>

It seriously does not appear to be a D800 bash at all. Maybe it is, but to me it appears to be a discussion about some critical focusing issues by some who are having such issues. As well, a discussion on how best a corporation ought to respond to issues that no doubt are sometimes unavoidable but surely not unfixable. And if the latter, some corporate responsibility as was the case with D600...<br>

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<p>in other words Mukul, this is as they say, quite unacceptable. i do hope somebody from Nikon is reading and taking note of this discussion and will do the right thing.</p>

<p>Ilkka Nissilla wrote: "Nikon did cover the adjustment of the AF for free for me but it didn't fundamentally solve the problem. The D810 solved most of it but I still need to fine tune most fast lenses. But the distance and colour dependent effects are mostly gone in my D810 - in fact I'm very happy with the <a id="itxthook6" href="/nikon-camera-forum/00ddrh" rel="nofollow">improvements<img id="itxthook6icon" src="http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png" alt="" /></a> they have done."<br>

This is pretty sad. I can understand that you may be very "happy" with the improvements "they have done" despite the fact that it is not as it should have been to begin with. However, most will not be and should not be contented with Nikon's shoddy attitude to about this. For most, even professionals, pocket change does not buy this camera. To say that "the D810 solved most of it" is also unacceptable for most. At this price point, there should not be any technical issues at all. A sad after-taste to the continuing Nikon-Canon saga...and many know where this seems to be going.<br>

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<p>this image quality here is extremely good (and of famous intellectuals i might add!)</p>

<p>"take nothing but pictures, leave nothing but lenses" :) but only if the "trash" cannot be retrieved!</p>

<p>indeed, the VR still kicks in - hence the "shudders"</p>

<p>thanks for this! you make the larger point that for the vast majority of us who do not make money out of photography, there's tons of perfectly good tools that are being discarded because they are labeled as "obsolete" ONLY because technology has "improved". one keeps hearing that body X is "obsolete" simply because it was released 9 years ago."obsolete" in my book means - when i have a film camera and i cannot buy film anywhere. or, i have a digital camera but somehow all the computers have disappeared from the face of the earth. yet, many of us will continue to drop millions of dollars just to catch up with the "latest"...</p>

<p>stephen, it's all in the tone and expectations...it appears you are expecting to be disappointed...by Nikon, folks who offer advice etc...<br>

check this out: "I was expecting to be given encouragement and advice and quite frankly have had my nose put out of joint by the responses to both my threads."<br>

plenty of advice has been dispensed. as for encouragement, you need none. you seem to have enough self-confidence since you have dispensed all the dispensed advice...or so it would appear</p>

 

<p>stephen: "oh, ok then.<br />I'll not get another camera until I'm allowed to..."</p>

<p>stephen, good news! i just checked with the "great allowed" and she says, it's all good. your request has been approved. please buy whatever you feel like..</p>

 

 

<p>{I'm sorry? Have I entered the Twilight Zone or something? So I DO have to pass a test in order to justify a purchase?<br />I don't chuffing think so.}</p>

<p>stephen, chill out man! and you will never need to apologize (I'm sorry?) if you chill :)</p>

 

 

 

 

 

<p>not a fool-proof prediction, but prices will drop some more...</p>

<p>wonder what happened to the OP after he posted ? :)</p>

<p>can i have your D800 then? (something to be said for he-men...heeheehee :)</p>

<p>yup, mint condition bodies are available for about 1500 dollars...new bodies out of stock. good news for sure for cheapskates such as me who buy the one model behind the curve :)</p>

<p>bob bill:<br>

" Cameras dont take great pictures, photographers do."<br>

that's a viewpoint. unfortunately i have yet to come across anyone who could take a pic without a camera - great or "ungreat". the fact of the matter and a truism it is that both cameras and photographers are indispensable when it comes to taking pics - great or "ungreat". </p>

 

<p>shun:<br>

"I always feel that the major limitation in photography is in the photographers. No advance equipment will ever compensate for that problem."<br>

absolutely true! (as long as we have access to discounted D700's :)</p>

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<p>shun, point taken! (however, in the thread i started, my fairly devious desire was this - once the successor to the D700 was releases, the probability that the "i need the latest, preferably yesterday" would drive the price of the D700 down :) To some extent this is happening and probably will accelerate further once the D800 actually hits the stores...then i will be the proud owner of an affordable D700.<br>

however (there is of course, always an however), down the road, existing computers may not connect to the D700, the compact flash cards may no longer be manufactured, etc. etc. and we will be forced to junk a pretty good camera. not news to anyone really, yet a sad state of affairs, at least on one level. but on another level, lest i be misunderstood, i don't grudge companies making money and the process supporting our hobbies and profession...no easy way out, i recognize that :)</p>

<p>unfortunately (fortunately for some of us like me), the limit of digital has been reached. any "improvements" may be useful for some specialist professionals whose livelihoods may depend on it. for the rest of us who are passionate about photography, such tweaks simply translate into a direct line to our pocketbooks. a particular sensor will now show the limits of the lenses we already have and vice versa - aka the computer conundrum of hardware vs. software or the "windows dilemma" i.e. throw your existing computer out of the "window" every two years or so. indeed, these new bodies will also impact our computer inventories...<br>

the D800 comes with a bundle of "trouble" ie. moire or non-moire etc. etc. etc. Most regular folks could ask themselves - what really is the advantage of the d800 over D700? i don't have either, still happy with the D300, but can see the point of FX (if nothing else, a 24mm is 24mm, not 36mm!). but seriously folks, what really is the big deal about 51 autofocus points vs. just one (and some understanding of depth of field etc.). just my two cents on how to go out and take pics rather than pixellating over pixels :)</p>

 

<p>"I'm quite happy and content until a rich relative dies and I can afford to buy an additional body."</p>

<p>one assumes you mean a camera BODY :)</p>

<p>richard williams:<br>

"But be honest, did you happen to stumble across the discontinued list, or did you read about it first on a rumour site like the rest of us..? :-)"</p>

<p>ha!!!! dat's da question my friend! :)</p>

<p>kent stabus:<br>

"We really don't know what will be announced, if anything, on Feb. 7. Two weeks ago they were saying Feb. 6. As for prices of used D700, so far no DSLR has resisted the force of gravity once a new model replaces it."<br>

well, maybe. but if an discontinuation announcement is made, rumors or no rumors, there is no doubt that some announcement about some new thingy is imminent. but maybe it's just the optimistic me :)</p>

<p>georges pelpel:<br>

"In the current DSLR age camera bodies could be compared to computers with each new generation making the value of the older take a major dip"<br>

quite so! the software trumps the hardware and vice versa. both empty my pockets of the nickels and of course, the dimes :)</p>

<p>Mark L. Cooper:</p>

<p>"I'm having a hard time understanding this fixation on the latest Nikon camera release. Do the old cameras all of a sudden stop working properly? Granted the newer cameras function better at the extremes, but how often do we need that capability?<br>

My D300 is going to take the same excellent pictures tomorrow that it took yesterday (given the photographer's limitations)."<br>

maybe it's just me, but i suspect that the camera you had prior to your D300 still works properly as it used to, unless it got crushed or dunked in salt water...yet...or is it just me :)</p>

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