jon rennie

<p>$400-500 would be more in the range a bigger name photographer would pay an experienced second shooter. Typically, at least for my area the rate is around $150-300 unless you are talking high end clients. 2nd's are normally trying to gain more experience and not there to make a full time living from it. There is no liability on a 2nd, and they typically shoot and hand off the files (no editing). I know lots of pros second shoot with each other (myself included) for these amounts to shoot a pressure free wedding now and then and learn from each other.<br>

Without any experience, I would put you into the very low bracket, with many others willing to do it for free to gain the experience.</p>

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<p>I tell them if they really want to know. Being mugged isn't a concern for me really from anyone at a wedding. When shooting in destinations in Mexico and the like I hold my tongue a bit if the questions come from someone not from the group at the wedding.</p>

<p>InDesign. Illustrator and Photoshop are ok for single page design but not designed for books or multiple spreads.</p>

<p>Tree trimming poles come in various lengths. Many in 6'-8' sections and are designed to have 3 or more sections. I would just use some radio triggers to take the pics.</p>

<p>Cut it down the middle. 350 images seems a little low for 3 full days. 2500 is too much on the other hand. Give them more (they don't have to be fully edited if you are OK with that). Then use what you learned to do better next time.<br>

The renaming files and not telling them how many you captured are also key points.</p>

<p>If I shot primes I would want something wider like a 24mm as well as something around the 200mm range for weddings. Depends on the style of your photography but I would be missing out without those in your setup.</p>

<p>First off it has nothing to do with you being a younger looking petite female. I am quite the opposite (I am a younger big strong guy who looks a couple years older then I am) and I get Mom's and family ask me all the time to take pictures. I take them, and make jokes while doing it. Normally it is only for a shot here and there and it doesn't get in the way. If it's more then a couple times or too many people start passing me cameras I let them know it's the last one with 3rd party cameras.<br>

Sometimes I have had brides step in stopping their mom from passing me a camera but if it hasn't been a problem I will tell them it isn't a problem and take a quick picture with it anyways. It's all about customer service.</p>

<p>5DmII w/ 70-200mm @ 100mm f2.8<br>

<img src="http://www.jonrennie.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/IMG_7794.jpg" alt="" /></p>

<p>All you can do is calibrate your screen so that you know what you are seeing is exactly as it should be and consistent with other calibrated screens. You can't ensure anything past that with other computers as they will be all over the board.</p>

<p>I would suggest trying everything you can to get in contact with the photographer first before taking it to court. Try something a little more creative to get a face to face meeting. If you can't get in contact with him at all and you think he is ignoring you, pose as a new client by sending an email from his site under a different name/email and try to schedule a meeting. It's sneaky, but it should work because all photographers love new work.<br>

I wouldn't blame the 2nd photographer. He was probably told something different. Just ask him politely to remove the images and it should work. If you have trouble with this you can always request the images be removed by contacting flickr.</p>

<p>While you won't run into this problem normally, just saying it could be an issue if they were mad about the photographer doing something they didn't want them to do. If you don't have a model release of the person in the image you are trying to sell to the public (which a non-password protected, open to the public gallery is) you technically don't have permission to sell it.<br>

I have model releases built into my contracts so I can use their likeness online, promotion, etc... but this also to cover the sale of an image. I still post pics and sell pics with other people from the wedding party, family, guest, etc... even though this is technically not allowed - and if I am ever challenged on it would have to take it down immediately since I don't have signed permission from everyone. This is never a problem because most people are happy and expect it, but if anyone were to be mad for any reason, it's an easy way to put the stop to something.</p>

<p>It's too bad you got such a bad experience on what should have been a great time. David has some good advise but you have to determine if it will be worth your time (or you can just go after them in principle.)<br>

While the planner is clearly terrible, I would say the problem really lies with the photographer. Although if the contract is with the planner it gets a lot more messy as you would have to go after them (and you don't know if they took some money off the top and gave the photographer less).<br>

In Ontario you can file a small claims suit against them. I don't know if the cost/time will be worth it if you if you are just looking for reimbursement. It costs $70 to file and then you have to go through the trouble to serve and go through proceedings. You would also need to file it in the Niagra area since that's where the business was performed so you would have to account that into if it's worth pursuing. Since they completed the contract (what's in writing) it would be doubtful they would give you back the full $250 and then it's all up to the judge. He doesn't sound like a professional though. The contract would have to be looked over closely to see the wording, etc... I would be happy to look it over for you - I am not a lawyer but since my contracts are structured and targeted towards those in the Toronto/Ontario area I may be able to give you an idea if it would be worth your while.<br>

Your best bet is to find a photographer you like in the Toronto and surrounding area and dress up again and do a fun and relaxed session. It's just like a bridal session except you are doing it after.<br>

Best of luck,</p>

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<p>I have actually had this happen to me before. Of course I sided with the bride, you would be making a fatal mistake otherwise. In my case the bride decided to allow access after a few weeks. I made no big deal about it and said sure. I look at it no differently then those that don't want their photos online (gallery, blog, etc...) because they don't like to have they live very private lives. If they request it I will deliver.<br>

Legally... just don't test it. You don't have too much of a leg to stand on. You could technically get away with selling pictures of just the bride and groom, but for anyone you don't have a model release on (which I can guess all but the B&G) - you could open yourself up to larger problems greater then just a pissed off bride and a bad rep.</p>

<p>2) Yes<br>

3) I bet she doesn't meter and just uses manual everything. I don't meter and set everything manual.<br>

4) You can hook up the PW to the flash sync port on the side of the camera</p>

<p>Shot with a 50mm 1.4 on a 5DmII. Shot from within a prickle bush.<br>

<img src="http://www.jonrennie.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/IMG_5315.jpg" alt="" width="550" height="367" /></p>

<p>A better camera would help. I used to be that way, not being able to go above ISO800 on my 20D. Now that I have a camera which I can push way beyond that without any big quality drops (5DmII) it makes a world of difference.</p>

<p>There are many logical reasons it's a crop and not a FF camera. Price is the main one. It would put the camera in line with 5DmII or higher (if it's as fast) - too close to the 1DmIII or possibly future versions even though its 1.3 which according to it's lifecycle is one of the next to recieve an update.<br>

It's more inline to compete with the D300 series.</p>

<p>There are a lot of perks for B&G's to bring a photographer (pre-during-post). Destinations are also a LOT more work for the photographer. I do them, and struggled with the pricing aspect of it myself. I had the benifit of starting off shooting my cousins wedding which I was a guest of anyways.<br>

Don't feel guilty for staying a day or two extra on their dime unless you are charging them accordingly for your travel time and photo time. I did one where I flew in one day, TTD on the 2nd, Wedding on the 3rd and fly out on the forth (non-direct flights) and it was too much unless you have a day or two of downtime while there to make the travel worth it (or paid for the time).<br>

Also, don't listen to Art. He hates on most destination posts in this forum.<br>

With regards to being allowed to shoot at the resort itself. 99% of resorts do not charge any additional fees as long as the photographer is a guest of the hotel (normally 1-3 nights required).<br>

Charge what you feel comfortable with but don't do it for free and definitely don't have it cost you a dime. After you do a destination wedding you will understand why I say this. You spend at least twice the time on a destination wedding then a local from planning, flying, editing, etc... etc...</p>

<p>One of my fav's from Sunday's wedding<br>

5DmII, 24-70 2.8 @24mm f14<br>

<img src="http://www.jonrennie.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/IMG_5113.jpg" alt="" /></p>

<p>Shot on Saturday during the rain. 5DmII w/70-200 at around 70.<br>

<img src="http://www.jonrennie.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/IMG_2408.jpg" alt="" width="550" height="367" /></p>

<p>you may get better luck if you actually put a date</p>

<p>Linda, it can easily carry a spare body. I think they even mention it on shootsac's site. It just can't do so with a grip. But if it's your backup... why do you need a grip?</p>

<p>I have the shootsac and love it but I can't see the 40D with grip fitting in it. Without grip no problem, but not with.</p>

<p>I try to get some teasers up by the next day (around 10 or so), or at the latest a couple days. I normally have a slideshow running during reception on my laptop of some of the shots from the day (normally about 20) and they are edited (no airbrushing or anything, but they don't normally need it). I could even post the same day since I can edit so quickly if I really wanted to. Always my fav's.<br>

I think it makes clients want them even faster because it gets them excited even more for the rest. I think all you need to do is stress clearly the expected timeline of recieving their photos.</p>

<p>I started off with a 20D (2 of them) and a 28-138 at my first wedding along with a couple other lenses around the same quality. I quickly learned the biggest impact in image quality could be had with good glass. I went out and purchased a 27-70 2.8 and a 70-200 IS USM and never looked back. Never regreted it.</p>