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<p>OK . . . .so instead of BUYING a book are there any examples online that I can look at? </p>

<p>Are there any examples or templates available for Editorial Licensing of a few images I'm about to take for an organization? </p>

<p>One small problem Ive found is if you are in a hilly area with poor Cell reception it can be a real drag. Otherwise - it's great! </p>

<p>I sell matted 8x12 as my smallest prints. Normally at art fairs I'm in the 24x36 and 16x48 but people cant afford those so I need something for them. Larger in-between sizes never sell. Small or big. 12x18 and so forth just collect dust. <br>

.<br /> It depends on your market, who are you selling to. I go for people with big walls to fill.</p>

<p>And artists complain that they are struggling with sales LOL <br>

Did you take into account what others were selling naked 20x30 prints for? How much a print costs? <br>

<br />$400 for a poster size print? Are you kidding me? Gary - I know you have been in books and so forth but telling someone that they need to sell their first image for $400 is just killing a sale. You have to take into account experience and so forth. <br>

I can just see Dean quoting $400 to his buying, knees shaking and quivering voice. </p>

 

<p>Reading all the above I would quote this. $25 an hour and they pay for all extras, printing and so forth.<br>

What this does is give them an idea of what they are paying for. $25 an hour is cheap for a PROFESSIONAL photographer but in your case it's perfect. Not cheap but hot outrageous. <br>

Of course flash and tripod and so forth. take a pad for jotting down names and emails as you will be asked to have copies sent to individual$. <br>

This is where you can make some extra $$ on the side. Things like this I will go cheap knowing that there is money to be made AFTER the event. Plus it is great advertising for you. <br>

<br />BUT I see it's a week later so it's all moot LOL Hope you did well. </p>

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<p>Not sure what a "photo booth print" is. Are they matted? clear bagged? <br>

I sell 8x12 matted clear bagged images for $25 if that is a help. Some people sell them for more but I think that is ridiculous unless you have a name to back it up. </p>

 

<p>Of course if you charge him $600 you will lose 100% of what you would have made otherwise and everyone here will say you are the real winner because you stood your ground. <br>

$50 is a little low. I would go with at least $100 knowing that 1. you do not have a big name, 2. you feel uncomfortable charging $600 and it would show 3. you will get more money down the road and free advertising.<br>

Sure $100 is STILL low to some but not to you. Charge what you feel comfortable with and as you sell more and more you can raise your prices. <br>

I agree - charging too low cheapens your work but I see way way to many photographers shoot garbage and charge way to much for a photo my mother could take. <br>

Evaluate your image, is it something special that you could charge more? Or a common shot. </p>

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<p>WOW - that was a buzzkill! LOL </p>

<p>I can't see why not - these are public figures. As long as you are not saying they endorse something and are using them as "fine" art. </p>

<p>I learned late that there is less in photography in Fine art Photography and more salesmanship. Getting your name out there and having something besides pretty pictures.<br>

My advice is to get a real job and work at selling yourself. I was a IT guy and ended up quitting a profession because I was using up all my vacation hours doing Fine Art Photography. <br>

Start out by doing Art Fairs, keep working at your craft and seeing what people REALLY buy, you will be surprised. Target business and corporations who have big purses and big walls to fill. <br>

I started by taking images of businesses and giving them 8x10s. Just last weekend I was in Indianapolis and in a matter of 3 hours had 3 places ask for photos. It seems MANY new places need photos to fill walls.<br>

As I said - it's all about selling yourself. Art fairs lead to galleries and odd assignments on the side. Who knew you could sell $300 canvas images of disc golfers! Don't get hooked into the BS about you need to focus on on theme - shoot what you like. <br>

There is a ton of money out there - seriously. DO the Art stuff and pay the bills with (dare I say) Senior photos (yuck). </p>

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<p>"You asked for advice and opinions and that is what you received by people who had good intentions"<br>

Well - what she got was a lot of testosterone laden BS actually. I'm a little disappointed with the quality of responses on this thread. </p>

<p>Depends what they are. If I think I can sell them as fine art I'll explained I'm a professional. If they are just pretty photos I'll send them for sure no problem. <br>

MOST photos are not going to make me $1000 so I'm not too worried about freebies. </p>

 

<p>Try this! <br>

My name is Kimberly. I specialize in lifestyle photography and have a passion for creation and a lust for travel. My current home is San Diego California. My photography tells a story through the use of emotion and light; capturing perfection in the day to day moments. Mu vision is to photograph not just people, but places and memories. I photograph the ordinary in extraordinary light which creates a marriage of outstanding beauty and extraordinary photographs. </p>

<p>WOW - tough crowd LOL Sort of agree but in a kinder way. Now that we have all smacked you down and you have stepped away from to coffee! :-) <br>

OH - you lost me at bubbly (sort of got that from the rest of the post). <br>

Seriously though. Try again - I have written MANY bios as my mood changes and so forth. Keep at it. Bios are always a work in progress. Find the right fit, talk about your vision with photography. Where are you from and "what" do you take images from.<br>

People don't care about YOU yet. That is something that they will want to learn AFTER they see you work. </p>

 

<p>I started with Art fairs which have turned into more advertising then profit (well, $1000 for $100 fee I guess is OK). </p>

<p>Get into places that need art work, Restaurants an so forth, you won't sell but it's all about getting your product out there at the moment. <br>

Year 1 - research and find out what works and so forth - can you REALLY sell?<br>

Year 2 was my meet and greet and getting contacts<br>

Year 3 was my first "geez - I'm making money" year<br>

Year 4 was my "oh my, I'm actually busy and will turn a profit" year<br>

Basically - just get out there and sell yourself. I have a website Otherpeoplespixels that has my internet presence and it's working more and more. It's a grind but art fairs was my ticket to getting into galleries and getting phone calls for random requests (like for a 3x7 foot canvas of a B17 - sure I can do that sir . . . . .gulp can I? LOL). </p>

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I got a $3000 bank check in a scam once. We all knew it was an art scam so I was going along with it. It was from an

American bank also. Looked perfect but the bank said they never issued it.

<p>I do well at Art Fairs and matted clear bagged prints go for $20 because EVERYBODY always has a $20 in their pocket.<br>

They are more expensive in the galleries I have them in. It's a fine line as Craig said between a picture and art. I've sold images for $800 down to $20 and I feel I'm always a little lower then most people but . . . I'm doing well. Pricing is ALWAYS tricky.<br>

8x12 are just pictures and I have them because many people want to buy SOMETHING. My 20x30s are $250 which are still low but the Art Fairs I'm in are not the BIG ones. <br>

SO - what should you price them at? Double cost as a bottom line and then charge what YOU feel comfortable with. Nothing worse then feeling guilty about a price. Once you get more and more sales you can start to crank up the price. </p>

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Seems you forgot addional overcharge. I totally disagree with the 2nd to last sentence. The quickest way for a new

photographer to fail in business is to think they are better then they really are and overcharge because an established

photographer thinks someone that has to ask for a price should be charging $50 an hour.

 

Granted I am a fine art photographer but my advice is to yes take into account all that time but also realize that you are

new and building a portfolio. Charge what YOU feel comfortable with. Yes, it will be less then established photographers

that earn a living but RIGHT NOW, you need work and experience.

 

What Charles says is true for sure but you can slowly raise prices as you get more and more comfortable.

 

Bottom line is that when you give them a price that price has to come from someone who does not feel guilty for that

price.

Working out some numbers that would by a little less then 6 an hour 8 hours a day no weekends.

 

I would not charge less and $13,000 and would maybe have 15,000 as the minimum since this would be basically a rush

job. You could go higher, they can go elsewhere . . . . And pay more . . .

You want him to charge $1400 for a couple hours work for a landscape company that probably has a budget of $200

tops? This whole "you are a professional" things is nuts. When you ARE a professional with a known name and a track

record maybe, but when you are some one asking "how much" and you quote $1400 they will look elsewhere and you get

nothing.

<p>There are a few ways to do this. By the hour (say $25) and then by the image. Plus are you professional or a hobby pro. <br>

When I was a newbie I was cheap because I wanted to get my name out there and I did not have a reputation. Seems to have worked. Plus - how good are you - honestly. Are you giving them something unique? or snapshots! <br>

Another way is to charge $1 a mile to get to the site and $25 an hour shooting. Seriously - it's probably a simple shoot. What are they using them for? advertising? <br>

Charge what YOU feel comfortable charging. When you say a price there should be know "?" at the end of your sentence. I know I was inexpensive in the beginning and have been slowly raising my fees as I get more confidant in myself. If you are confidant THEY will be confidant. <br>

Pricing is ALWAYS a pain in the butt until you have a track record. </p>

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<p>I use Otherpeoplespixels.com and am not happy with how my images look. Blogger is MUCH better which is totally free BUT not a "website".<br>

Zenfolio is nice but I need room for words with each photo.<br>

Ditto Smugmug</p>

 

The question starts at 8x10 and up. Smaller and you might as well give them away. I do art fairs and am getting more

and more adhoc work. I sell clear bagged 8x12 for $20 because everybody has a $20 bill. $25 is not too much but I

feel 8x10s are so small. And good friend sells his small prints at $40 but he also makes $15,000 plus in last weekends

art fair.

 

HOWEVER. I have three galleries that will soon get 8x12 and I'll need to raise my prices because they take a 40% cut.

My gut feeling is to not even offer small prints but . . . . I do sell 20 a day at a fair so.

 

My advice is to charge what you are comfortable with. When I started I did not have a clue. But with experience you start

to know how YOU feel. A few weeks ago I sold a large piece for $465 which was probebly a deal but I was uncomfortable

charging more. However because of THAT piece I have a client that wants 5 large images and I'll charge a little more (I

wish they were all THAT size lol)

 

Bottom line, 25 is fine especially if it is consignment.

<p>I had never seen that site before an really don't know what you are asking. Interesting site. I would THINK that everything would have to be shot pretty strictly to make it all go on perfectly. </p>