owen_dawson

Thanks Will. I did respond in post 5 "I came up with my pricing for the shoot by what others who were charging as well. Those figures were listed on the sites."

Thanks for your responses. OD

According to a British pound to US dollar conversion I found on the internet:

 

4X6 $9.10

5X7 11.70

8X10 19.50

11X14 32.50

 

My only sales are in a gallery, only 2 sizes, framed with glass: 11X14 ($55), 16X20 ($75)

Thanks for the conversion.....Pricing for "fine art photography" and "portrait/ family" photos seem to be on two different pricing scales, probably because customers are already paying a pretty hefty fee upfront for just getting the family photos taken. My pricing is dramatically different (higher) for the landscape photos I sell.

According to a British pound to US dollar conversion I found on the internet:

 

4X6 $9.10

5X7 11.70

8X10 19.50

11X14 32.50

 

My only sales are in a gallery, only 2 sizes, framed with glass: 11X14 ($55), 16X20 ($75)

Here is a good guide that tells you what to take into consideration when charging for prints How to Price Photography Prints « 9Mousai that you might find useful. Me personally after I have charged for a shoot i charge as follows

4x6 £7

5x7, £9

8x10 £15

11x14 £25

 

This pricing structure seems to work for me

thanks Steve. This is actually close to what i ended up charging. Believe it or not many of the High-end local photographers that specialize in this type of photography charge around $35 for 5x7's. That's in addition to the fee for just the shoot which seems to range between $300-$500 in the Baltimore area. It's amazing what parents will pay for photos! Not a bad markup. I'll check out the link. thank you

Thank you for your responses. For some reason, i wasn't getting notifications on your responses even after ticking the button to have responses send to my email?

I ended up contacting some reputable portrait/family photographers in the area and they shared their current pricing setup. They all seemed to be similar figures. I came up with my pricing for the shoot by what others who were charging as well. Those figures were listed on the sites.

Hello,

Curious to know how photographers are pricing their prints that the clients decide to purchase?..

4x6

5x7,8x10

11x14

etc.

I recently did a family photo session for some friends and they want prints.

I may do them on my own with epson 3880 which is more expensive than a local lab, but either way, I'm just trying to get a feel for how photographers hand that part of the job. Any thoughts would be great.

Thanks

Owen

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Hello,

Curious to know how photographers are pricing their prints that the clients decide to purchase?..

4x6

5x7,8x10

11x14

etc.

I recently did a family photo session for some friends and they want prints.

I may do them on my own with epson 3880 which is more expensive than a local lab, but either way, I'm just trying to get a feel for how photographers hand that part of the job. Any thoughts would be great.

Thanks

Owen

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The lens is the nikon 24mm PC-E. most to the time i'm shooting around f11 as in this shot

i attached a larger image, not cropped.

TC is fine on my 70-200.

its unlikely, i'm guessing, that it would be a smudge due to the exactness of the blur along the left side.

I never would have considered using the tc on ts either until I went on a shoot with a friend who uses his tc on 24 all the time with great results. he's a canon guy and shoots a lot of commercial architecture

I've noticed that when I'm shooting with my 1.4 kenko tc on my 24mm ts lens, the left edge is blurry.

right edge looks fine.

without tc both edges are fine.

the tilt is set to O.

any ideas as to what might be happening?

shooting with the d810

thanks

owen

Does anyone out there know how to accurately determine the height of a building remotely?

I have several shoots that i need to do in the city and surrounding buildings create a challenge when determining the length of a shadow on the street and side of a building. I found a calculator that can give you the heigh if you have the:

1. distance from building from where you are standing

2. angle to the top of the building from where you are standing

I use the sun surveyor app most of the time and it can measure distance on the ground and give you an angle to the top of the building, however, I'm not sure how accurate it is based on some testing done on known heights of existing buildings.

The safe route would probably shoot at high noon to avoid shadows altogether, but I still would like to shoot the buildings in the best possible light later or earlier in the day.

Any ideas would be great.

Thanks

Owen

Hello

I've had several prints done through "nations photo lab" and "bay photo" and I think they do a great job.

However, I'm looking for alternative companies that produce similar results on canvas at a cheaper price.

Any suggestions are welcome.

Thank you

Owen

Hello,

I have an opportunity to sell 6-images to a popular "Inn" in Vermont and they want to have unlimited usage of images.

I really have no idea of what a good starting price might be per image or for the group of 6. If anyone has experience with this type of sale, I'd like to hear from you. Thanks

Owen

You must think of HDR as being only oversaturated candy colored landscape or cityscapes. Like I said, HDR is simply a technique. The way I use it for interior and exterior shots is that you don't even know it's being used. It happens to be a very efficient and fast way to create clear and neutrally looking images that have all the details in shadows and highlights. I don't really care about its "reputation". I care about the results it can give me without unnecessarily spending significantly more time using other techniques that won't give me significantly better results.

You must think of HDR as being only oversaturated candy colored landscape or cityscapes. Like I said, HDR is simply a technique. The way I use it for interior and exterior shots is that you don't even know it's being used. It happens to be a very efficient and fast way to create clear and neutrally looking images that have all the details in shadows and highlights. I don't really care about its "reputation". I care about the results it can give me without unnecessarily spending significantly more time using other techniques that won't give me significantly better results.

beauty is in the eye of the beholder. if your clients like what you do, and obviously they do, then enough said. some like the hdr processed look and some like the look of luminosity blends.

My architecture firm routinely hires professional photographers to document projects for marketing purposes. The rates are mostly based on a half-day or full-day rate, travel and expenses, and a charge per-image for processing of final, purchased images. Our photographers typically take many more images than we buy, but we pay a fair amount for the images we do buy. I am not at liberty to share rates, but that is likely a very regional, market-driven issue anyway.

 

As to HDR: That was a fad for a while, but it seems to have faded. The images we have in our archive that feature obvious HDR processing are now rarely used, since they feel dated and out of touch with how we want our designs to be perceived. Good luck and best wishes...

David

Very helpful. I’m guessing the photographer sends you the lot of unprocessed images, you choose which ones you want and pay per image like you stated. I think that makes sense as some images can take longer to put together and in the end, might not be used.

Hand blending is definitely a more refined way to blend images.

Thanks for your time.

O

Unless we're talking about high end magazine style architecture shoots, shooting as well as processing interior and exteriors can be done fast and effective. I've shot thousands of homes and buildings over the years, all kinds of homes, mostly 360 pano virtual tours (which also include interior and exterior stills) for real estate. I also shoot just stills now, which typically takes 30 minutes per home (if the owners cleaned up) + another 30 minutes post-production for an average of 20-25 images per home. I don't work with lights, I bracket and batch process images into Photomatix for realistic HDR. After importing into Lightroom the HDR processed images have been further auto developed using presets for exposure, white balance and straightening/lens correction. After that I only have to crop (I shoot interiors mostly at 10mm and then crop to 4:3's to get rid of most of the distortions, this gives a realistically scaled looking interior shot and it also allows for very fast and precise framing and composing during post rather than messing around for that perfect edge to edge composition while on location. The most time is spent on the swapping of grey skies for blue skies in exterior shots on overcast days (though that's also fairly quickly done in ON1 Layers).

 

The point is that in order to be competitive (which includes fast turnaround times especially in real estate) you have to work as effective and streamlined as possible. Taking 4 hours to post-process 24 images is not effective and streamlined and therefore not competitive, regardless if you can actually charge for those 4 hours or not.

 

Outsourcing the post-processing is also an option. I've been looking at Photoup (there are several other companies online geared towards post-production for real estate and architecture photographers) to possibly outsource my processing if it gets to a point where I can't deliver on time anymore or when there's too much time spent post-processing taking time away from shooting assignments.

I’m not shooting real estate here. i’m working for companies that have big bank accounts. Not a RE agent. I’ve done that work and was lucky to make $50hr. Two different worlds here. The job that took me 11 hrs was worth $1400. It’s not uncommon in my world for the post to take as much time as the shoot. If your clients like the hdr look thats great, but there is clearly a difference when using luminosity masks and hand blending. Try not to judge or insult people when you don’t know the particular genre of photography. Shooting for an architect Or large commercial company and shooting for RE agent are very different. Pricing is all based on usage of image in my world

$400 per building at 150 buildings?! That's $60.000. Unless one is a big name architecture photographer that's never going to happen. $400 sounds more like half a day, so $800 a day + expenses. If it's only 1- 3 exterior shots per building you could easily do 15-20 or so in one day for buildings in the same area. That's 10-13 days. Around $8000 + driving expenses would be more reasonable.

 

 

 

And a lot less time for you too. That's what you're charging them for after all, your time.

 

 

 

 

4 hours post-processing for 24 images? Shouldn't take much longer than 30-40 minutes.

$400 per building at 150 buildings?! That's $60.000. Unless one is a big name architecture photographer that's never going to happen. $400 sounds more like half a day, so $800 a day + expenses. If it's only 1- 3 exterior shots per building you could easily do 15-20 or so in one day for buildings in the same area. That's 10-13 days. Around $8000 + driving expenses would be more reasonable.

 

 

 

And a lot less time for you too. That's what you're charging them for after all, your time.

 

 

 

 

4 hours post-processing for 24 images? Shouldn't take much longer than 30-40 minutes.

I would say that post processing comes in many varieties. The art of handblending images (no hdr) can take some time and IMO ultimately gives you a better quality of work.

Thanks Michael. It sounds like you may be doing more RE shoots? I'm shooting space in large buildings generally. It seeem like every archictect photographer i've spoken (at least on the east coast) charges either an hrly or 1/2 day / full day rate.

I have a big job starting next spring for 150 projects by an large brick company. All shots are exteriors showing off their bricks obviously. the locations range from baltimore (where i live) to southern VA. These are 1 to 3 shots of exteriors and on to next location. Some locations are 3hr away so I will be staying a night and shooting there for two days and returning. I'll have to make this trip multiple times as there are at least 30+ projects in an around the richmond area that need photographying.

any thoughts on how you would tackle something like this, as far a travel expenses, and fees per building? This isn't your everyday photo request.

What is your website?

Thanks

Owen

Very new to doing this sort of photography, although I've been fortunate in doing some work for some fairly large business in the area.

I've been doing a fair amount of homework on this topic and wanted to get your thoughts.

A couple of things...

1. How are you charging for your photography? hourly / daily/ 1/2 day.

2. Are you charging a creative fee/production fees/ usage fees?

3. Do those creative fees stay fixed?

4. How do you figure out what you usage fee will be?

5. Do you also add in a per image fee?

Lots of questions, but lets start with those. If you can answer just one, it would help.

Here is my current situation.

Just shot 24 images of interior and exterior of a major production company in DC. Images will be used for marketing from the leasing company. The production company will most certainly want a few if not all of those images too.

Time spent:

3 hr drive

1hr walkaround

3hr shoot

4hr post

The bill i'm sending them is going to be $1375 which at this point doesn't include any usage fees for third party.

I'm billing at $125hr

I don't really like this way of billing because a closer job location and fewer shots would be a lot less money in my pocket.

so just to update from accountant....

Maryland

Statutes and Regulations - Current

Statutes

TAX - GENERAL

TITLE 11. SALES AND USE TAX

SUBTITLE 1. DEFINITIONS; GENERAL PROVISIONS

(m) “Taxable service” means:

(1) fabrication, printing, or production of tangible personal property by special order;

As long as digital (no photos, DVD, thumb drives, it is not subject to sales tax.

And there is no tax on the actual service of taking the photos.

Delivery method doesn't matter. The tax is on the value delivered. What did you find when googling your local jurisdiction's tax rules?

not and much success finding tax rules in Maryland. just spoke with an accountant and she has to get back to me with the info

Tax regulations and one's Taxation responsibilities vary from location to location and sometimes vary by TYPE of business structure. There's not much point in me giving you an overview of my Tax responsibilities for my Proprietary Limited Company in Sydney if you are a Sole Trader working in London.

> Where are you located?

> What type of business do you have?

 

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The 'lease agreement' that you mention is commonly known in most parts of the worls as a "Contract for Usage Rights of Images" (or similar wording). In simple and broad terms it will mainly address:

> the Entity(ies) who may use the image(s) (i.e. if you do not want any 3rd party usage, then you stipulate the one party who can use the image(s)

> the type of usage (e.g. display banner / print run / website etc)

> the amount of usage (i.e. volume; e.g. 'one print run of no more than 100,000 brochures and a second print run of no more than 50,000)

> the duration / expiration (i.e. if and when the usage rights will terminate; e.g. 'enduring usage rights', 'usage rights will terminate three years from the date of this contract')

 

I am neither a lawyer not tax consultant.

 

WW

thanks for your response

i live in baltimore and i'm shooting architectural

photography.