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Interesting points, but I have no desire for softened or dumbed down critique on my photos and I don't think that anyone else my age who is serious about photography would want to be treated any differently. I don't want people saying "wow, that's good for your age," because that has no benefit whatsoever for my devellopment. To my knowledge there is no-one younger than 12 using this site. I don't think that a 12 year old would have any trouble understanding the photographic concepts discussed by "the pros" in photo critique. I should know, it was only 3 years ago.

 

Interesting idea, though... I'm glad you're thinking of us! ; )

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Peter, I hope I didn't come across as having a problem with your helpful distiction between model photography and portraiture. Once again: thanks for your contributions. My concern, which actually isn't really worth discussing to this level, was with your superior tone. Regardless of whether or not the people involved in this forum were aware of the distinction, there was no need to make a comment for the express purpose of raising yourself ("I had to spell it out") and lowering others ("I took it as a given that everyone understood this, but they DON'T"). I suppose it is a free society, but if everyone went out of their way to say "I knew that all along, and was nice enough to spell it out to these dummies!", it wouldn't be very nice, would it?

 

Now I've said my bit, and I'll probably regret dropping a comment right away and proliferating what I hope won't turn into one of those pointless PN arguments/verbal diarhea sessions. Please consider what I've said, as I will what you've said. I don't think that there's anything either of us can say to further advance the cause. Thanks again for providing your insight to the original question.

<i>"I took it as a given that everyone understood this, but it became clear

as the thread progressed that they DON'T, so I had to spell it out"<br>

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</i>Peter: again thanks for your help, but do yourself and the rest of PN

a favour and please keep your pointless, superior remarks to yourself.  I

may be overreacting, but after witnessing the trouble in the forums recently,

a comment designed for the sole purpose of lowering those around you is not

the kind of response I was hoping for in my question.

Thanks everyone for your comments, I'm just back from quite a long canoe trip down the Barron river in Algonquin Park (ON, Canada), portages and all (great shots in the canyon). Sorry I haven't been participating in this forum as much as I should have liked. Peter, thanks for your help, but do remember that ANY answers that are provided here are welcome. Again, I'm not even sure what I'm asking.

 

Can you explain to me why it is that the married model in question should be finding another line of work because she didn't feel that she needed to sacrafice something obviously important to her for one particular shot or job? Is it up to her to ascertain that she will be completely comfortable with everything the photographer wanted of her?

 

Thanks for bringing that example in. I'd love to hear more of this kind of thing from anyone who feels like saying something.

After reading most of the forums revolving around Domenico Foschi's

controversial POW, I have many questions. I am just hoping to hear

the opinions of people who know what they're talking about regarding

the role/level of involvement of the model in photos after the

fact. Does the woman/man in question cease to be a person when the

photo is taken? To the photographer, is the model just "the model"

or are they still Diane, Lindsay or Bob? Some of the things said

about the model in Domenico's photo were attrocious. Does this

matter? Should we be sensitive? Should we give our honest opinion

about the model? Who IS the model to photography?

 

To be honest, I don't really know what I'm asking. Please say

whatever you feel may be helpful. Thanks...

Finally, a forum that isn't self defeating and where everyone respects each other. Interesting proposition, Kohda. I would agree with all those who say that knowledge can be an independant variable from skill, and I would also add that the greatest photographer in the world woudn't neccesarily want, have the time, or have photos in the right format to upload them to photo.net.

I think what the problem here is that everyone just wants to talk about photography without worrying about rude people, administrative flaws and extranious conversations that make us all want to kill each other. I've tried my best to stay out of these discussions, but the irony of this entire forum is just too great to resist.

 

Everyone here is all set to start boycotting forums, ignoring people, taking down their portfolios and censoring people's comments all in the name of focusing on photography. No matter how you justify it, or how important it is to tell someone that they're wrong, this whole forum is self defeating and, on the whole, nothing more than a name-calling and finger-pointing session. It is very discouraging that even you adults can't seem to do anything without attacking each other like this. I'm only 15 and, as Rob Bernhard put it so eloquently, "not worthy to lick the emulsion of the film of most users on this site", but even I can recognize that there is something seriously wrong here. Stop acting like children and start acting like photographers of some maturity.

Jim, please be aware of your tone. The elves may want to correct a problem that you bring up, but no-one wants to engage in verbal diarhea with you.

I can't say I follow specific photographers, but my feeling is that anyone with beautiful nature photos is encouraging environmental concsiousness. A lot of people these days may spend their whole lives in urban areas, and while they know there is a world out there, they have very little appreciation for it. By showing people the beauty and benefits of our natural surroundings, we are playing a large part in encouraging people to become more aware of the environment. Yay nature photographers!

Carefully

Sorry again, I perfer Netscape as well. Don't expect too much of this photo... it's definitly not on the same par as some on this site.

 

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