A Church On The Island Of Evia In Greece

I kept the comments of my dear colleagues and friends and here they are:

 

 

Photographer's Request for Critique

--Pierre Dumas

The church of St John the Russian whose relics are placed in there

 

Thousands of people are visiting this church every day, there is a belief that St. John's relics have a healing power! Thank you for your attention my dear colleagues!

 

PDE

Critiques

 

Sandra Blake [subscriber] [Frequent poster] , May 22, 2009; 08:28 P.M.

 

Pierre-

 

I really like what you have done with this image. It has a very stylized, flat artistic style. Even the colors are simple with minimal shading. It's almost like an architectural drawing in many ways. Very well done, maestro!

 

Rob Wilson [subscriber] [Frequent poster] , May 24, 2009; 04:49 A.M.

 

This looks really lovely! I love the colours, especially the sky. The only thing I would suggest is that maybe you could take out the two lightening conductors (or are they flag poles?) on the two towers.

 

Great work!

 

Cheers

 

Rob

 

Doug Burgess [subscriber] [Frequent poster] [Current POW Recipient] , May 25, 2009; 09:45 A.M.

 

The orange sky caught my attention. What treatment did you give the building? It's very effective. Looks like a couple different filters. Beautiful clear light on it. Well done.

 

Pierre Dumas [Frequent poster] , May 25, 2009; 03:12 P.M. (edit | delete)

Thank you for your visit and your comments my friends!

 

Rob, I didn't find them distracting at the time, besides they show to the sky (Heaven maybe). It would be an easy thing to remove them, but I didn't!

 

Doug, I first applied the filter Poster Edges, then went to hue - saturation and moved the upper slider to the end on the right, then I went to replace color and replaced the blue which was all over except on the sky so that I picked all the tones of the blue and turned the upper slider to the left end, added stroke and frames and that was all!

 

PDE

 

Marjorie Smith [subscriber] [Frequent poster] , May 25, 2009; 03:14 P.M.

 

Creates the feeling of a hot,burning sun...Beautiful work...Marjorie

 

Tatjana Adizes [subscriber] [Frequent poster] , May 25, 2009; 04:06 P.M.

Divna boja neba!

 

Pozdrav!

 

Jeffrey Lee [subscriber] [Frequent poster] , May 25, 2009; 04:10 P.M.

Excellent Image !

 

another beauty in your gallery my friend !

 

Glauco Dattini [subscriber] [Frequent poster] , May 25, 2009; 04:41 P.M.

Hi Pierre!

 

Something different from you. This time you have made an excellent alteration :-)) Max deserving work! Thank you also for the explanation :-)

 

Michaela M [subscriber] [Frequent poster] , May 25, 2009; 04:44 P.M.

 

Superb drawing with light, Pierre. Best wishes, MM

 

Lawrence Paiken [subscriber] [Frequent poster] , May 25, 2009; 09:01 P.M.

 

Spectacular art, Pierre. The effect is so different. max. Well done, my friend. Regards, Lawrence.

 

MJ Orgeron [subscriber] [Frequent poster] , May 26, 2009; 02:38 A.M.

 

Pure art work! thanks MJ

 

Gallego Caldas Jordi [subscriber] [Frequent poster] , May 26, 2009; 07:51 A.M.

 

Buena imagen , con un gran trabajo de edición, Saludos

 

Fabrizio R. [subscriber] [Frequent poster] , May 26, 2009; 09:41 A.M.

 

Amazing point of view and great drawing!

 

Pierre Dumas [Frequent poster] , May 26, 2009; 12:29 P.M. (edit | delete)

Thank you all my dear friends!

 

MJ, welcome to my portfolio, I think you are on it for the first time and I appreciate very much your support regarding the fact that you are a professional and as I saw on your member page a very strict rater! I'm really flattered!

 

Fabrizio, thank you for your visit and for not rating it, if you did it would decrease the so far average!

 

PDE

 

Fred Young [subscriber] [Frequent poster] , May 26, 2009; 01:04 P.M.

 

A much different production from you. Very nice! Work has kept me away for awhile, but I always try to watch for your excellent work!

 

Paolo Bevilacqua [subscriber] [Frequent poster] , May 26, 2009; 06:10 P.M.

 

I noted the recent work that you've made, they are really good and seem to come out of the hands of a painter. excellent technique, it seems to hit a load of brush color but smeared with a steady hand and accurate.

 

Luis Miro [subscriber] [Frequent poster] , May 26, 2009; 08:46 P.M.

 

Creative and wonderful work Pierre! With the sky color and the treatment of the church you've achieved an original composition and a harmony of colors. Kind regards, Luis

 

Sergio Occhiuzzo [subscriber] [Frequent poster] , May 27, 2009; 01:11 A.M.

 

I love your technique, it's really fine and clear, colors are enphatize by the texture! Great work! I wold like to know how you do it. Ciao Sergio

 

Steven Richardson [subscriber] [Frequent poster] , May 27, 2009; 10:13 A.M.

 

Pierre, Your post work looks great on this image.

 

Maurizio Moro [subscriber] [Frequent poster] , May 28, 2009; 08:34 A.M.

 

A nice "play"!...Ciaomau!

 

Sonali De [Frequent poster] , May 29, 2009; 12:04 P.M.

PDE

 

Wonderful POV and processing. Best regards.

 

Chaba Kasanitsky [subscriber] , June 01, 2009; 11:50 A.M.

 

Great editing - beautiful image my friend !

 

Serguei Iouchtchenko [subscriber] , June 01, 2009; 09:45 P.M.

 

I'm sorry that I'm not allowed to rate it 7/7. The picture does not deserve anything less than this.

 

David Orea [Frequent poster] , June 03, 2009; 03:20 A.M.

 

Exquisite composition, Pierre. I like the viewpoint, forms, textures, colors and treatment. The light and shadows are great. Excellent work! Congrats!

 

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Outstanding graphics! And, please, never pay attention to that rate rats! 7/7 Vlad

How unfortunate it is that some folks are bent on trying to sabotage an artist's reputation and to tarnish the quality of his work. It is more unfortunate that these people don't have the guts to put their names next to their ratings and to provide comments to try justifying those ratings.

 

In my opinion, this is an outstanding photograph for several reasons: the haunting shade of white on the church walls, the detail, the interesting color treatment, and the incredible perspective. I am awed once more.

 

Please keep your chin up, my friend. Don't let the bastards get you down.

 

michael

 

 

I don't care for them now, it is my victory the place 27th on top photographers pages, all categories and all times! I won the battle, so some intentional three raters lost, not me and they should be worried! Ha!

 

I kept the images and the comments of my dear friends as I said in the above INTRODUCTION, so there is nothing, absolutely nothing to care about in that matter! Thank you once again my friends!

 

PDE

Pierre, I try my best to get images that come out this perfect, now I have another one to study. I love the creativity of this, and the colors are wonderfully complimentary. The 3's are sad; they're probably just inexperienced/jealous. But they hang around me so much, I'm used to it.

As I said above, I won that battle and don't care anymore! If there are too many of them I simply delete the picture and upload it again with the comments of my friends and colleagues! Luckily I'm not a man of a dozen of pictures, I have enough of them to try again and again!

 

PDE

 

By all means this is a wonderful image and very well worked out, thank you my friend for sharing it and wishing you all of the best.

I like the graphic, 2-D quality of this picture. In a way it reminds me of Japanese Ukiyo-e.

It looks like a fine architectural perspective drawing. Nice perspective, light and creative presentation....regards

It's a nice picture Pierre...as a painting or sketch I think it's a good one and I would hang it on my wall, though I admit I would not call it photography and would accept the debate...

 

To throw a respectuous stone in your garden: why would you need to submit an image for rating if you have decided the only rate you accept in advance ?

Why we all call photography what we all do? Because the light draws it! The colors and the texture aren't realistic, that's why you wouldn't call this photography? Do you then call photography the B&W pictures taken the same way?

 

About the second just a counter question: Why did you delete a half of your photos requested critique for? Ha, I beat you all the way!

 

Cheers my friend!

 

PDE

Thanks for your reply Pierre...

 

Your analogy to BW photography is interesting and indeed probably relevant...everyone has the freedom to modify and play with their image as they want and there is no restriction whatsoever...in fact and I agree with you the limit between a photo and a drawing/painting can be a soft one...everyone can place the cursor where he wants...to be honest and direct let's say it is my personal way of thinking that this image is beyond what I would call a photography...not only for the colors strictly, the reduction of them to the bare minimum towards a sketch, the absense of texture practically and so on, you probably understand what I meant by now...

 

I do not mean it's bad or good by saying it's not a photography...what I mean is that the work done has brought the picture into the domain of sketching...

 

This leads me to my second comment...since you creatively modified heavily the original photograph to suit your own taste and creativity...you should accept that some people reject it as well as you accept the fans of your creativity...after all you have taken the decision (and creative risk) to move the image into your exotic fantasy world (and I applaud for that risk)...why should everyone adopt and rate highly your own way...that's the only question I wanted to raise...

 

As for answering your question, I did not delete most of my images, I just use the hide feature of the site to always limit my portofolio to approx. 200 images and less than 10 folders for I think it is already a bit too much to show from an average photographer like me....

My camera took this picture, I didn't draw it, my role in creating the final result is simply marginal and I could never draw all this shapes and lines, I just added some features and extracted some! The main job was done by the light, lens and sensor etc! So it is more photography than anything else!

 

The rating system is based on one very important word, the word is "average" and it is measurable thing. Let's not discuss aesthetics, let's just say that when one gives a four to one picture for originality he must relate to the most of the pictures on this site, to compare it to the most frequently seen and ask himself: How often I see pictures like this one? And the critique and estimation of the value of the picture mustn't be a matter of the personal aesthetic or other attitudes! If one wants to critique and evaluate he must be ready for it and if he's not he can just look at the pictures! Everyone must consider the effects of his ratings for there are beginners with talent on this site and the irresponsible giving threes to something one doesn't even understand in either way may ruin their passion and creativity! Or let us look on the matter from this side: There is category of abstract and most of the abstract pictures don't exactly look as photographs, should some strictly conservative photographer be given the moral right to rate all the abstracts with ones?

 

As for my case I must mention the fact that my pictures almost regularly get threes after they appear on the top photos first page!

 

Let me just finish with the conclusion that the criteria "like - not like" should be replaced with the thorougher estimation of the work for one to have the moral right to evaluate.

 

As for your hidden pictures, they are not hidden in the number of rated pictures, I just compared that number with the number of critique requests and saw that there are twice as much requests for critique! Now when you delete a picture you also delete the data for the request, but it wasn't so before couple of months or so!

 

And I didn't get you wrong and didn't for a moment get offended or something like that by your saying that you wouldn't count this picture in photographs!

 

PDE

I understand your points Pierre...if your read me carefully I was not trying to convince you or anyone that something is badly wrong about the picture itself...just to open the debate that some others could not like it and rate it accordingly, it's just their right to do so, nobody's forced to follow anyone's taste or rules....that's the conclusion from my thesis. Amen.

....already long time...PN is kind of fun for us...it is not gallery...gives us oportunity to build good portfolio and share our works...rest we have to do ourselve...lets do...

I say YES: if we have more expression techniques better! Art can only get richer! I do not care how it was obtained the image. Here in photonet We use as basis the photography (logical!) then why can’t  we use the tools we have available???...

Pierre,

This photo treated like you have do remember me drawings by Jacques Martin or Gilles Chaillet. And if I say that I'm doing a cheer: I love BD!

And by the way:

I've noticed that you do a lot of comments to my photos (always with positive sign), however I prefer less comments but more sustained.

Abraço.Obrigado,

Miguel

Great sky!

Though I would have preferred to see the Greek church orange and the sky blue ;)

Thank you for your attention dear colleagues!

PDE

Hi, Pierre! I can only confirm my opinion as  previuosly shown!

I fully agree with you with those 3 incorrect rate! Ciao

 

 

Well received, congrats! Tony B

Thank you, ,Tony!

 

Cheers!

 

PDE