CORFU 1959 - Morning mist 3 (click to enlarge)

A word to the malicious 3/3 down raters. WE KNOW YOUR NAMES, PN also

knows your names. You are NOT anonymous any more. So, STOP defaming

the names of excellent photographers! If you want to down rate a

photo, put your name and your comments to give a good reason for that

and do it. THIS IS OUR LAST WARNING !!

(if you want to comment or rate this photo, please go to my "The old

B/W times" folder and find it there. Thank you)

 

1959 - The old B/W times

magnificent works like this particular photo need not to issue warnings to LOW RATERS. oblivious of low raters' existance, true artists must go on!!!!!! regards!

Thank you Umair

 

I am doing this (warning to the down raters), in favor of ALL our fellow-photographers who are suffering from these guys (you too). You see, they are destroying the rating system of PN. Somebody had to do that. Well I DID IT !

 

Marios

Lex

 

I don't agree with your opinion but I don't want to speak on behalf of my photo, so I am waiting for the others to criticize you and reply to your arguments starting a very interesting discussion.

 

BUT

 

I have to congratulate you for your guts to speak by name, so I deeply respect you and your opinion about my photo!

 

PN, Lex showed to you the right way for the rating system of this site. So now it's your responsibility to make all the down raters to follow the example of Lex so everybody respect them. Bravo Lex

 

Regards

 

Marios

I would be willing to guess that since this was taken in 1959, it was scanned to be able to post on the site. I would also guess that the scan did not do the print justice. However, we as "critics" can only rate on what we see and not what we guess the original looks like. I would agree that the composition and subject matter is nice, however the aesthetics are lowered by the quality of the image as presented and unfortunately overall are below average. So Lex's rating would not be far off from mine.

Dear David

 

You and your friend Lex are speaking about Aesthetics. So let us speak about Aesthetics.

 

Aesthetics is a Greek word (Aisthitiki) and as a Greek photographer, please believe me, I know more about it. This word existed from the ancient times, from the times of Greek sculptures, Acropolis and Parthenon. It has nothing to do with "grains" and "JPEGs", but only with the soul feeling the beauty !!

 

David thank you because you noticed that this is a photo of 1959 (I doubt if Lex did) . So in order to criticize it, we have first to get rid of our heavy conditioning with to-days technique and just look at it and feel the beauty of it.! If we can not do that, it's better for us not to touch these old photos,It's a pity for the B/W times they are coming from, it's a crime against Art !

 

Regards

 

Marios

O.K Lex

 

I have uploaded a BMP 1,49 MB version of this photo, but we have to wait for about 24 hours for it to show up.

 

Of course Lex I don't imply that only Greeks are qualified to speak about Aesthetics. It would be silly of me. It was just a trick to make you focus on the deep meaning of Aesthetics, which, I am sure, is familiar to you.

 

It's my way of speaking, and my way of feeling, to call all fellow-photographers "friends" to me and to each other. It makes us feel better if we really mean it and it changes our discussions into a very enjoyable experience, because we all take part in good faith.

 

Lex, David

 

We have won a great victory for the sake of PN. Did you notice that ? We are talking, peacefully and in good faith, although you are supposed to have down rated my photo. Isn't it nice ? How can we persuade PN to make it permanent ? My proposition to this site is to ask the down raters to do their ratings by name, as you did, to explain their ratings, as you did, and to give the chance to the other part to be heard, as I did..

 

I should like very much to discuss it with you, as well as with PN too, because this site is our place and we want to keep it clear !

 

Many regards my friends

 

Marios

Thank you Lex for your instant response to my uploaded new version of my photo, although I am wondering how did you manage to see it (I haven't been able to see it yet). Anyway, thank you for upgrading your rating from 2/5 to 5/5 !

 

We'll keep in touch.

 

Regards

 

Marios

 

P.S. My wife is curious about the meaning of the word "perpendicularity" .

PN

 

I am expecting your response on the proposition I made to you, in order to stop the anonymous malicious 3/3 down raters (if there are any), playing their games against excellent photographers and to make photo.net a better learning environment, by strengthening the constructive and enjoyable dialog, removing the puzzling ratings and making a better critique system in this site , because it deserves it !

 

Marios Lefteriotis

 

 

 

Dear David Oreas,thank you for upgrading your rating from 3/5 to 6/6 !! (http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7544921) and sorry because I pushed you a little.

 

The out coming of this conversation is... one better photo and ...two photographers turning from down raters to high raters..., which made better, for a while, the rating and learning system of this site.

 

Do you see now PN, what I mean !!

Kalispera, again, Marios. I was just talking a look to your portfolio images when I was knocked down by the discussion between the perpendicularity man and you about low ratings in PN. I think it is a very interesting discussion - I do not know how the rating system runs and why low rates are not shown ??? - and the most positive thing - that you mention - is that we have had during some time two people talking on the same image while their opinions were totally opposite.

 

On the other hand, it is strange to me that someone could change rating of an image after entering in a discussion with the author. Of course, if I have more information, it will be more interesting for my knowledge of the photo and its internal story (every photo has usually an internal story, implicit or explicit), but rating is quite a simple system and I put a value to Aesthetics and another value for Creativity.

 

This image is good and it was taken before I was born so I do not know very well what was the possibilities of technique on those years - even if my father was a good photographer and I have seen many BW images taken in the 50´s and also some others before. But for my idea of Aesthetics, the main objects - apart from water of cours - are a little too far from the author in it, giving not too much possibilities to rely on some details. And I basically think that DETAILS are one of the main secrets of MASTER or PATTERN IMAGES.

 

Anyway, I will not rate this image because perhaps you do not agree and wait for me at Termopilas. See you, Marios, ikusi arte - this is see you translation into basque language, that it is proved to be more ancient than romans, probably that greeks also, so I think you will be respectful with my opinions on Aesthetiks and Kreatibity. I have been in Kerkyra also and I think the sea mist was magic during some hours.

Hi again Josemi

 

I, very much, respect all your comments and ideas and I feel happy to talk with you.

 

I, already, have said that I don't want to speak about my photo because I don't want to interfere at the comments and ideas about it, of my fellow-photographers, including you.

 

There has been too much talking in PN, about the back stories of photos. You can check at Philosophical Forum a very extended and detailed one, which I had, some months ago, with many photographers, under the title WHERE IS THE BACK STORY. Be patient and read all of it ! It's very interesting and you will be astonished by the ideas expressed, not only about photos and art, but also about life and human beings ...

 

http://photo.net/philosophy-of-photography-forum/00LGmP

 

As far as it concerns the rating system of this site, start posting a great deal of your photos and put them for public critique and rating and you will, very soon, realize what exactly I mean ...

 

Regards

 

Marios

There's nothing wrong with the composition,and the quality of such an old image is not what counts when rating and commenting.

Billions of clicks are made every minute with "high quality media" that their results lie below the nothing line and Mr Nobody photographer.I wonder why some show their empathy for your postings,although I'm not sure what the same people do on other's images,and I won't follow their comments,because none of the best photographers on PN is involved in only negative criticism.

It's no use trying to persuade those who ignore your history in film making and photography,that you are among few pioneers here who have given so much effort and dedication to what we call "imaging" .

I,for one,felt amazed watching your films (and as we all know when using a motor) a photographic image is only a single "carre" of a cut cine film.

So judging someone's image should not be a momentary glimpse of an eye,but a deeper thinking about who is behind the lens and why he has chosen to expose himself and his work to the viewer.

Thank you Phos for your deep thoughts on the way that some fellow-photographers are criticizing and rating photos at this site, and I am deeply honored with your words about me (although a little exaggerated).

 

You see Phos the problem of this site is that allowing anonymous ratings, encourage guys, sometimes, to rate photos very quickly and without second thoughts on artistic values. But the main purpose of a photographic site is to make photographers contact each other, exchange thoughts and ideas and finally make better photos ! And I think that everybody believes that..

 

So I made this experiment. I pushed a little things and I made two Down raters start speaking and as they were guys of good faith, we ended, as you can see, with an interesting peaceful conversation, two Down raters turning to Up raters and the most important, with a better photo !

 

So, my idea Phos is this: Let us draw out Down raters from the background, bring them to the foreground, and make them be serious enough to start speaking and giving their "bad" critics (nothing wrong about that) in order to exchange ideas and have, consequently, better photos !! Of course we are speaking about guys of good faith and I believe that there are many of them amongst the photographers of this site.

 

And the key is just that : Let us try to persuade the guys of PN, TO STOP ANONYMOUS RATINGS !! We are photographers and we need to speak to each other about our photos in order to repair their problems and have better ones by exchanging our experiences .. But in order to do that, down ratings HAVE TO BE JUSTIFIED !!! and that can not be done by anonymous ratings.Is there somebody who can't understand that simple idea ? Let us invite him to speak..

 

Many regards

 

Marios