Female Christ

The image is from my first video production about the subject the

female crucified Christ.

Too much of a punishment for a Lady:)

 

Great job

 

All of the best

 

 

it is an impressing image ramon. the face is a bit too blurred for my taste, but on the other hand that works togehter with the glare from above. i like it very much. well done. cheers.

to chock some older latin-catholic generation one could try this racket... but as Christianity is a fading business in most countries, I do not think too many actually wold be chocked ... and then what? ... reamins a pretty poor photo with extremely bad lighting. The focus is bad as well.

 

 

 

-scholem aleichem

 

 

-bjorn

I think that your comment seems the commentary of a citizen of provinces that tries to pretend that knows everything. Although I am not going to discuss the technical deficiencies of the light, because this was my first production. I would wish to explain that indeed this image has had a great acceptance between young people and not so much between the old people. http://female11.deviantart.com/gallery . But I understand that you have learned in your small city to judge with the eyes of the faith and not of the knowledge.

I find this photo very fascinating. Also, I find it very interesting that there is not as much discussion regarding the potential recourse of this being an "offensive" topic. It seems that there is a moratorium on photographs that show female genitals (but not the case when it is a male or even something religious... you hypocrites). The fact that this can be interpreted as an attack on a specific religion seems to not be as offensive to the censers than a fully spread female crouch. Personally I find this photo to be extremely well done (whether or not I agree with the appropriateness of the theme... which I don't). But I do admire the artistic qualities it contains (the lighting, shadows, facial expression and colors are extremely well done... and yes, Jesus was also naked on the cross). I just disagree with the inconsistencies of the P.N. censers who judge the photography. If a sacred theme and the male genitals can be retained as "art"... then let the same be true for ALL of the photos that may display the most sensitive parts of the female anatomy... as long as they are done with good taste and artistic approach (which... by the way includes some that may be considered too "erotic"!).

 

Thank you very much for your comments. I am glad to see that here in P.N. is someone that have a better vision of art. I began to be tired of the hypocrites of the religion that tried to give lessons of the art according to their religion. I think that the art demands an more open thought than the one that has a religious fanatic.

What has the size of my hometown to do with this?

Besides, as I am Jewish I do not get offended by the motif, but I do get "offended" when artists produce pics with technical flaws like blur and bad lightning.

All together, if you consider yourself being an artist, I think you had better learn the handicraft properly... This is just as much art as those plaster - madonnas, purchased in the Christian places of pilgrimage.

 

-Scholem aleichem

 

 

- bjorn

 

I already have said that the image is from my first production. It is a old image. But if you are not indulgent with the errors of which they do not have experience and they begin to experiment, do you are indulgent with someone? do you "offend" to you your own errors? By the way, I am sure that your concept of art or artist must very of being limited. In my opinion, this mental limitation is typical of people that coming from small cities. This has induced to me to think that you come from a very small city.

Please, you could give an acceptable concept of art, that defines your intellectual category?

You, that you are so demanding, you could gain the respect of all thanks to your intellectual rigor.

I come from a big city,am agnostic & have no preconceptions---but this is still technically crap.The one saving grace is that she has a nice rack!

It appears to me now, that you are obsessed by the numbers of inhabitants of my home-town. I have never given my home-town?s number of people one single thought. I reckon they are about 500 000 - 750 000. I have always thought PN was a site for photographers, not for demografs. I have been wrong, I guess.

But... I know ... when I got my education upon this field, photography, we were taught to make a proper print and showing a little bit of humbleness.

And one more thing; we did never sneak away with "I could have done better, but this was just my first try!. This is just an experiment".

I do realize that my words do not have any impact upon you .... as a younger photographer at all.... so .... keep on doing your plaster kitsch madonnas until you realize that they are just plaster kitsch madonnas. Meanwhile, I hope, you have learned to focus, to set light and to instruct a model.

 

- scholem aleichem

 

-bjorn

Mr. Bjorn Moback, After your comments posted to this photo, I thought I would take a look at your portfolio to see if I could determine the basis for your comments posted here. Of the large number of photos you have included, I find all be one to be totally CRAP! Quantity does not translate to quallity... and what makes you such an expert anyway? If others want to simply take your opinion stated about this photo, I hope they will take a look at yours. Grainy, out of focus, ugly and cluttered photos do not always constitute "art". Of course you and others that think like this will disagree with me... and that is just fine. What you consider art may not be art to others and v.v. That is what makes art... "art". Mr. Peter Nixon, on the other hand, does seem to have a nack for the camera. Maybe there can be some growth in your skills if you observe his portfolio. To be honest, I find the content of the above photo to be very offensive (at least to me and others of similar religion). However, I find the photography to be very artistic and hope the photographer uses his talent to produce more photos of other topics as well.

Foregoing the temptation to pick up the thread of the above discussion, no matter how tempting, I shall only say that the purpose of a photograph is to capture the attention of the viewer. In this vein, Ramon, you have done just that quite successfully, regardless of the technical application. Thank you for sharing your vision. And quite candidly, this is one very beautiful vision despite the scene taking place.

This image bothered me at first; I despised and even closed my browser. But, then I believe in education and not isolation, so I went back and I looked at it more? I let it speak to me? I read your comments, and I will tell you my conclusion.

 

I see two things:

 

First, I asked why? What is the reason for this? Ignorance, arrogance, intelligence, or are you just some artist trying to be controversial to get a name for yourself? I am still not for sure. But what I feel about your comments of a quick defense (less than 3 hours response time) after Bjorn's post, "I think that your comment seems the commentary of a citizen of provinces that tries to pretend that knows everything." (And you do?) I began to see your motive. Many artist suck; I am not saying you do, but a lot of artist are extremely uneducated and very primitive in their work. Everything has been done in the world of art, and you have decided to attack a main symbol of one religion. I use the word attack because that is what you did to Bjorn, you attacked his insightful comment.

 

Second, I know you were Catholic growing up. I see how people never taught you how to think about religion for yourself, you never had a good instructor, instead your family did the typical scheduled routine in going to church (whenever you felt like going). Deep down you have severe doubts of the existence of Dios, which is why you chose a nude woman for this shot (women answer many questions of men). You wanted to attack your childhood lessons and see if they (your family and Catholic friends) would defend themselves so you would get your answers you have searched for. A naked woman is what moves you, which would move most men as well. Female nudity is what gives you your answers. This shot was probably more therapeutic for you, than it is for anyone else. I have written two novels so far in my life, the first will never be published. In writing that novel I found my answers I searched for, and really, that is the only purpose in which I wrote it. I feel in witness to your work, you have taken the two most emotionally moving things in your life and you are trying to sort them out.

 

Good luck instead of God bless.

 

-Adam

Mr. Adam, thanks for your comments. I have read kindly your interesting stroll, into the garden of the psychiatry. I deduce that you have an isolation problem. Therefore I have been decided to help you, and to send to you a link where you are going to find much people of your interest. And I think that they can help you so that you are not so isolated. LINK:

 

http://female11.deviantart.com/favourites/

 

Please, I think that you need their help, in order to end your problems of isolation.

Well I think I am through corresponding with you, actually I thought for just a moment, you were a bit intelligent, instead you "have helped" me see you truly do not know what you are doing. Isolation is not the problem, take note that instead of hearing what anyone has to say; you accuse them of something ("I deduce [big word - good for you] that you have an isolation problem.") Try listening for a change. The quality of your photos, your verbose vocabulary, and your prose explains everything else.

 

-Adam

 

P.S. It's Psychology not Psychiatry. I didn't write you a prescription, there is a difference.

Ramon, wonderful idea and well lit. In fact I would say perfectly lit and composed. The one thing I would like to see is the image re-shot with the eyes in very sharp focus. Something to consider.

 

Adam, it's getting harder and harder to see art while covering one's eyes with a Bible. I also have faith, I just don't wear it like a shoulder patch nor do I sling it like a stone. Our world is in danger from fanaticism from many fronts. Let's hope we find peace, it's either that or we continue letting Fox News sell us fear around every corner.

Mr. Adam. You speak about intelligence, and in addition, you speak as the people that know it everything. I can?t discuss with so wise people. I hope that everybody listens to you and learns of your great wisdom.

 

By the way, I do not know still what is intelligence, but I hope that a great brain like yours, helps me to leave my ignorance.

 

I think in any case that, if you have observed my favorites into my gallery in deviantart, you will have been able to understand that, I prefer the art of an amateur adolescent that has intellectual restlessness and try communicate something interesting to the society than your work, that I found emptiness and without social interest.

 

Adam I see that you requested my email and I took note of your email domain server. After the weekend I just had with members of the conservative right I plead with you not to email me nor engage me in this debate, you may not like the outcome.

I actually wanted to continue our conversation privately like adults. Nothing personal really, just two adults merely discussing our opinions privately. I didn't feel the dialogue should have continued through photo.net. It's nice to talk to people who are willing to stand up for what hollywood and news media teaches them, I live near Wichita Falls, TX home to Shepherd Air Force Base. Since you have announced how courteous I was by not arguing with you publically, I would ask that you request my email, and I believe "you may not like the outcome."

 

-Adam

 

PS - I bet you loved the movie "Valley of Elah"

This forum is to discuss Ramon's image publicly, not religion. I was not the one to critique the image through biblical-shaded glasses.

Now you're just getting silly Adam.

I was discussing his image on a very controversial issue of religious symbolism. I questioned his purpose, its meaning, what it conveys. I didn't bother to mention its minor flaws; I felt his message was more of the discussion. When a mother wipes her 16 year-old son's butt, or as you commended Ramon's attempt, no lessons are ever worked out. Liberal left wings and conservative right wings are exactly the reason we are getting nowhere, and your labeling is just as bad as racism, you are not seeing what I am saying you saw me mention a little something religious and you dismissed me for a conservative right wing. I will not discuss politics because I feel that our nation is running strictly off of emotion (both sides). No one sees logic. We all have our sources via news or friends or family serving in the war, it's all different perspectives. Bottom line, democracy in Iraq is like an arranged marriage, it will take time and it definitely have a rough start. I am neither conservative nor liberal, a Bible pounder nor a Bible dust collector; I am merely a perspective from outside our normal society. I have lived in Mexico for six weeks this summer to experience culture outside my norm and broaden my horizon. Our nation is relying off the media for our own thoughts; our people want democracy in Iraq to divorce. Like the arranged marriage, instead of letting time heal the issue for greater good for everyone not just us, we are wanting to bail out, like we did in Cuba, like we did in Vietnam, and like we will do in Iraq.

My intent in discussing this photo was to talk to someone who wanted to express himself, and not to talk to someone who will step on an ant hill just to see how they will react.

Wars are the worst thing in existence, but no war is ever going to be effective when ran off a schedule. If Hollywood and the news media staff had the ability to see another perspective other than their own, we would have a complete different attitude. Stop feeling and start thinking.

 

OK Adam, what did you think of the lighting Ramon used? You were critiquing a photo not an idea or vision right? I believe Ramon asked for a critique of a photo, not a vision. You got hung up on the symbolism, actually you were appalled but you won't admit that. You felt your faith was under attack. He only asked you to imagine, think.

 

Did John Lennon say there was no heaven or did he just ask you to imagine? Look at the photo, not Ramon's vision. The vision is his, the shock and awe is yours.

Good points.

First: "OK Adam, what did you think of the lighting Ramon used?"

I felt the lighting blew out the skin tones.

So is that it? Is my flaw the fact that I decided to comment about what the image actually is? I mean let's talk literature. Do we discuss grammar in literature or the content? I feel you need to discuss the content. Are we not supposed to discuss content in photography? If a photographer took a picture of a little child being molested would you commend that the same? "The vision is his, the shock and awe is yours."

Second:

You wrote: "you were appalled but you won't admit that."

I previously said: "This image bothered me at first; I despised and even closed my browser."

Again sense I was labeled a conservative as people saw (past tense) only Black people as being black, you neglected to understand anything I had to say.

 

 

Lo lamento Ramon, para este conversacion largo.