Two Flowers

This is a "pure photograph" (ok, with some minor PS retouch). Iam submitting a pure photograph after long gap. The reason behind thatis lack of time to shoot. Few (I really thank them to express theiropinions so openly) have commented on my some of previous digitallydrawn images that it is unfair to submit such images in photo.net(please see my previous submission). But there is no separate categoryto submit these images; so I prefer "digital alternations" or"abstract" category to submit those work. They also think that it isextremely easy to create such images. What they fail to see thatanybody requires minimum knowledge about capabilities of thosesoftwares; then you have to use those to materialize your imagination. You need lot of thinking before sitting in front of your PC itself,leave the computational time. If you simply sit without anyimagination, you may get few good images by luck which won't favouralways. This is true for photography too. If we have some expensiveequipments, we won't become good photographers.

Whatdo you think? I would really like to know your opinion on thissubject.

Thank you for your time. - PulokPattanayak

First of all i like your creative digital alterations.I dont know who said it was easy as i lack the imagination and creativity on that subject thou i am fair user of ps and therefore admire any work that pleases my eye with a lot of thought and time put into it.Anyway you need a good initial picture to start the ps work too.

So please dont stop those wonderful works and keep sharing them.

 

This simple composition is very elegant and great DOF... but i am sure with your added creativity it would also be a feast for the eyes my dear friend :) congrats on all your form of creativity ...

Lovely color and focus. Peeked at your portfolio, I'm generally a purist yet I can appreciate the work you've done, some exceptional images. Like all art, each style has its followers. Don't be discouraged by the others, your creativity and imagination is a gift and you have a tremendous talent and skill for conveying it.

Thank you very much for such appreciation and constructive comment.

 

But I believe that anyone can become creative; some need no time whereas others need little time.

 

My subject of discussion here is that "is it unfair to submit digitally drawn images in photo.net?".

 

I would like to hear from you about this question too.

 

Regards.

Thank you for such nice comment; much appreciated.

 

It's extremely difficult to discourage me and I don't think those particular comments were meant to discourage. What they wanted to convey was that "it is unfair to submit digitally drawn images.".

 

What do you think?

 

Regards.

Beautiful work, Pulok! I think it is not unfair submitting digitally drawn images. Digital working is the new way to be creative with photography. The base is always an image. You show us beautiful creative digital work. We love it and we are waiting for more! Best regards, Ruud.

1) Very good exposure,DOF and light,Pulok. I like it very much.

 

2) Initially I had reservation about digital painting/art in photo.net.Many eminent photographers( Mr Saleem Khawar,Ms.Paula Grenside, Shri Biswajit Pandey,to name only a few) are submitting excellent creations. So long you mention that it is digitally created or altered, I feel there is no harm. One should not take viewers for a ride. When digital photography was introduced, purist condemned it. But now digital photography is accepted by Royal Photographic Society and other renowned Photographic Socities & Art Galleries, all over the world.

 

3) Pulok, I feel you should continue with your creative image making and at the same time take/share photographs taken with Digital/SLR cameras.

 

4) Pulok, please treat this as my personal view only. I am not an expert but a tyro. I am one of your many admirers in pn, because you have excelled in both Digita/SLR photography and Digital art.

first,this is an excellent shot...congrats....in my opinion ,everybody can use photoshop and submit digitally drawn images...congrats again.best regards.

I think as long as there is a photograph involved and you honestly declare that it's altered it is not "unfair". ( If there is no photograph to start with then it's inappropriate here and falls under a different form of art) A.K. made some excellent points. It's a matter of keeping up with technology and accepting that art will always be incorporating "change", and I'm sure this debate will be overidden by newer issues arising out of the next wave of technology. So no, I don't think it's unfair.

I dont think it is unfair to submit digital drawn images at all. Why it should be?. It is also an art, an you are right when you say it is not that easy to get a good digital image, even if you know everything about those softwares, you need a lot of imagination an to be a creative person. I also agree with you when you say that is the same for photography. ...If we have some expensive equipments, we won't become good photographers....

 

Also in analogical photography you can manipulate images in darkroom with chemicals, with filters and so on, and many photographers do.

 

In my opinion any instrument is good to express your own creativity. And if your images, digital manipulated or not, can generate any kind of emotions or feelings then it means that it works.

 

Anyway, I also like very much this ?pure photograph? you are submitting here. Very nice lighting and colours. Congrat. for this and for the others manipulated.

 

 

Ruud Albers

A.K. Sircar

mehmet AKIN

Mary Fran Loggans

Teresa Zafon

for sharing your opinions; Much appreciated.Regards.

Pulok, I can only say be yourself and that's what people are looking for. Anyway as I mention before your works continue is very impressive and creative. The flower here is very original and I love to see textures and droplets on it. Good composition and DOF. Best Regards.

This photo is brilliant, precise DOF, well detailed and outstanding color. The DOF here takes me.

Pulok! Art, wether photography, music, or any kind is for me (an amature) a media for expressing ideas, feelings, etc in an aesthetically creative manner; and as long as the major purpose or percepted ideas of the presented work fall under that condition, I see no reason for complain.

Teresa's point was great; the difference between analog manipulation in the dark room, and digital manipulation on PS is technology. There might come a day when one will alter a photo just by thinking of the things that he/she wants done. With that in mind I think how easy that form of art is made, is not very important. It's the creativity that will matter then.

Apart from this Mary Fran's argument is valid, if there is no photo behind the image then it doesn't belong here.

Your creative images are fantastic, very expressive and well made.

This is an amatures ideas and thoughts for which he gives the chance of change. So plz correct him.

Regards. Ali.

Excellent image Pulok great light and DOF,i really thought it is PS made,you have great telent with or without PS.

 

Best regards my friend

 

Shuki

Beautiful textures Pulok. Perfect composition!! Regards.

I pretty much agree with Mary on this one; as long as there is a photo in there somewhere taken by you, I have no problem with digital alterations.I have dabbled in photo manipulation myself a few times. It's creative and fun. Having said this, I do prefer your photographs. Your depictions of the countryside in India are beautiful and I never tire of those wonderful images. As an artist, you must try out new techniques and there will always be something new to experiment with but every once in a while, because you are a photographer, you have to go back to the basics.

 

Regards to you, Kim.

Compact, what means intense composition with a lovely subject! (I couldnt definitely verify the passed rain on the leaves :-))

These flowers are dewy fresh with good colours & DOF. Simple but very pleasing.

As for the discussed subject, there is no fair or unfair as art is a very subjective matter. Though I quite agree with Mary & Kim that as long as the digital alternation start from the base of a photo itself, however much PS or digital alternation is no problem as it's not an easy job & requires great imagination & PS skills (which I somehow still lack of.)As for those digitally drawn images, I have admire yours ( & of course Bisjawait Pandley's)as they are very creative & visually very pleasing & involve a lot of creative flair & imagination & I have enjoyed them all these while. Not all people can do that. Maybe PN should have a category " Digital Art Creation ", then people won't feel it's unfair that this is not a photo in the 1st place.

Anyway pleae continue to load whatever that you feel right as there are always 2 sides to 'ART'.

Hi Pulok, thanks for your confidence in me, (as I'm after an eye operation it took me sometime to answer, sorry)

 

I agree to many of the points of view expressed here. Art creating has many forms, and what is important is the last line: what is the impact on the viewer. Art is a LANGUAGE that has many forms and dialects of communication, (an ocean composed of uncountable drops), viewers has many " forms" as well. evaluating an art work depends on many factores, like what is the viewer BG ( toward art in general), how knowledgeable he is in the history of the arts, what is his bg in general, how developed is his aesthetic feelings. BUT, we are all individuals with different tastes, and what we think is good , others can think differently, and it is impossible to satisfy all...

 

I think that every art work, in photography, in/or digital alteration has merites as long as it has an inner " truth", aesthetic , imagination, compositional context , and a touch ( to feelings)

 

So Pulok I will tell you what someone wrote me in my first exhibition, a very good advice about critique that said the great Italian artist/master Leonardo Da Vinci .

 

Free translation : "When your work is being critiqued, LISTEN AND THINK! if you feel that it helps you, ACCEPT and Learn! if you think it is not, GO YOUR WAY.

 

I use it and it helps. I think as well that critique has to be CONSTRACTIVE.

 

All of us that have the urge to create, don't produce only " masterpieces" ;-)) so just go your way and develope . I like your work in general .

 

It is a nice flower image. The water drops are adding to it.

Pulok, I agree with Cherlyn & Pnina, this is an elegant flower shot by full of the colors & great details, perfect!!! Best regards.

Pulok, I understand perfectly what you're feeling and what you mean. So what I want to say is I wanted to leave PN because of a couple of such 'critics' but later on I understood maybe they were just jealous -- digital manipulations like yours are more likely to hit the top than typical flowers like this (no offence, the image is good, but it evokes practically no feelings in me). You seem rather successful with your manipulations -- go on and don't listen to the anti-digital guys. I never sashouldn't post landscapes even if I don't really like them :) .

 

Best luck, smile and keep on posting whatever you like doing :) !

for expressing your opinions so openly. I might have continued to submit images (photographs & drawn images) same way as I used to do before those particular comments. But I wanted to know what others think on this subject. I might not be right always; but art should have that much flexibility. As I feel, they (who opposed the submission of purely digital work) expressed their opinions which might not be same the way I feel. But I respect their views & really thankful to them for being such open.

 

One perfect solution would be that PN should have a category " Digital Art Creation ", as cherlyn . has suggested.

 

Thank you again for your time.

 

Regards.

 

Pure art and perfectly composed. Pulok you are good at both medium and that's not easy to master. Go with your instinct, don't let others influence your style. Continue to improvise.

I have always said you need a decent image to start with to "create" something special with digital manipulation. PS will not rescue a poorly composed or out-of-focus photograph. There is room in the world for all artists of photography, whether they are "purists" or love to explore the world of manipulation, or both (I fall under "both"). If an image moves you or makes you think, then it has succeeded, whether it's a film print, a digital print, or a compilation of images. Just my two cents...thanks for asking.

 

As for this image, while I appreciate the color and detail (water droplets), I can't help but think you could really enhance this with digital manipulation and make it even more special! It's a great shot to start with.

I agree with you, there should be a separate category for digital art, where there are very little photography involved and the image created digitally. Taking a beautiful picture like this with little alteration is not easy. I always alter my pictures even screwing up, because I thick the photo from the camera is a canvas with pre-painted basics and you have to finish it, express your self - it is this way more like an art.