Published: Saturday 1st of January 2005 09:33:03 PM
Dogs Playing Poker? Please don't take this the wrong way. This is a definite 7/7. I immediatly got the message and a smile. I thought of two things; 1) The famous Dogs playing Poker velvet painting, and 2), this sort of looks like an overweight Russle Crowe telling the dog to get lost or you are next on the menu.
Wonderful image Great tones. Fun story.
Awesome! Lovely control of colors and composition. Love to see more of your work.
We need humor "The need for humor is like the need to breath" -Woody Allen
Like this very much. Great humour, composition, toning, tension.
Made me smile! Great concept! best regards
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal Thanks for bringing our attention to this portfolio elves. What fabulous story-telling pictures. Beautiful treatment, expressive subjects and results I would be more than proud to have taken. Congrats Rasto!
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal wow, incredible shot, the set up is perfect and the facial expression and posture of the man realy compliment the background. well done!
7/7 Ahoj Rasto. Excellent shot. Congratulations to POW. Peter
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal Top notch! I particularly like the triangular flow created by the man's face,(great expression)the dogs head and the food. Both the background and foreground are beautifully rendered. Love it.7/7
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal It's a great picture as are all of those in the folder. It does however look somewhat flat and the dog seems to have been 'stuck on'?
David de la Fuente Coello
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal I agree the triangular flow among man view, dog view and plate is really interesting, great colors and the whole scene I think is quite expressive... 7/7
to Fegus Kane this is not a folder. this is real photo with real dog and colored in ps :-)
realization how to i do agree that elves choosen a very original picture, and all the recent pictures this photographer posted lately share with this one a style, a hidden signature if you want to put it this way. I also agree the triangular flow is a strong point of interest into this image. About the tecniques used to realize it i have the following questions: 1. was the picture originally in colour or b/w before painting? 2. which are exactly the painting tecniques used? (layers/brushes/brushes' settings) I think that many photographer in here aspire to achieve such results, and since painted pictures are regularly posted and generally appreciated on this forum would be nice getting into this tecnique and do it public. 3. the background seems quite detailed while being relatively darker than the subject, also it doesnt seem too far from it. If it is so, flash illumination (even if smooth and directive) would have been sufficient to render such background? was it painted later? anyhow, it is a striking image, wonderfully realized and worth of attention from us all. regards giuseppe
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal I love the photograph. How was it made? It looks very very similar to Andrzej Dragan's photographs. His photo's also look like they are painted with light in some fashion.
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal Totally amazing and beautiful image. Absolute perfection. Truely art in the finest sense of the word.
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal an excellent concept, Rasto. The use of a kitchen table as a thematic anchor for this series makes them accessible images to many cultures. I suggest you turn down your second (fill) light, as it gives all of the photos an overlit quality that pushes them toward kitsch, rather than metaphors that reflect the deeper psychological issues that they might approach. This is why someone referenced "dogs playing poker" and no one has mentioned Cezanne... t
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal I must agree that this photo and the whole folder is very interesting. It would be nice to get some technical details on how this image was composed and what are its elements: what is pure photography and what is illustration? I've worked with digital illustrators who produced excellent portraits so close to reality that you would think they were photographs but they weren't. The artist may not feel like revealing his secret however understanding the process may add value to the recognition of the efforts done to produce it.
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal great photography, and great storytelling. Is it my imagination, or do I see a lot of photographs resembling this style coming out of eastern and northern Europe. It's great stuff.
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal Mmm, I'm less sure about this. A photograph that wants to be a painting. A photograph that wants to be a painted in heavy oils. It has a look that has (as pointed out above) cropped up before, but it's a look I can't see the attraction in. I'm afraid on my screen it has the murk of manipulation -- I'll admit to being prejudiced against heavily PS'd images. Eek, am I the first person to post a negative comment? It's lonely out here...
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal Congratulations for this wonderful POW, Rasto. Great story-telling indeed! :-) Nice to see an image that really has something to say and says it with humor. There are a couple of other very nice specimens in your portfolio, and they all complement each other so nicely.
Nice also to see a clean and reasonable usage of Photoshop with the simple aim to add the appropriate mood to a picture.
I found interesting Tom Meyer's suggestion to off the fill flash on one side, but I'm not entirely I agree: an interesting suggestion anyway... Let's see: with a single light, we get more of a 3D effect (added volume) and we get a more dramatic image, probably also a more beautiful result. With even lighting though, it seems to me the photographer managed (for better or for worse?) to give the feel of something very bold, caricatural, almost cartoonish since it's absolutely simplified. I wonder whether making this image more beautiful and more tri-dimentionnal wouldn't actually go against the original goal of telling a story with humor. Maybe, maybe not; anyway, I find Rasto's choice perfectly valid at any rate. In advertising, it happens fairly often for example, that art directors require simple 2-sides lighting, in order to prevent the beauty of the picture from overriding the conceptual impact.
As for the PS work... Rasto said he just colored this image in PS. I certainly respect the viewpoint of photography purists, but I personally feel, that coloring is something that should be regarded nowadays as a simple and perfectly valid usage of the software. What it does is simply allowing photographers to have a greater choice in their pallette. There are many colors that can hardly be obtained in any other way, so why not use a software in order to achieve your exact creative goal...? This isn't reportage or documentary photography, and the only reality that matters in such cases, imo, is the one the photographer saw in his inner world. I find the present coloring very tasteful, as it helps to make the scene even more ridiculous - by suggesting an "all-grey life". What I may find a bit doubtful, on the other hand, is the exagerately yellow skin of the man: it feels sick (at least on my monitor), and I suspect that was the purpose (?), but I feel a slightly more greyish/blueish/pinkish skin tone might have worked better. Anyway, great picture, and the kind of ideas I wish I could have once in a while...
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal "Thanks for bringing our attention to this portfolio elves."
Good find, indeed. I spend about once a week on this site looking for new photographers and ideas to help me learn, and I have not seen this work yet.
I also admire the use of the painting with light technique here and any specifics from the author on what steps and techniques are used in photoshop (brush choice, brush settings, layer use, etc.) would be greatly appreciated (I assume by others as well). Personally, I'm still focusing on mastering the basics -- basic lighting, composition, and retouching -- but it wouldn't hurt to gain more understanding how PS painting is done in this work for future ref. when I'm ready to try this kind of artistic interpretation.
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal it is a very funny idea!!! the lightning is well developed and the man reminds me of a Ren & Stimpy's Lummox!!!
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal In the first half of the twentieth century, some of the most original photographs were products of darkroom and other types of manipulation techniques. Rasto's superb work gives us an idea about what we might expect from the first decades of the twenty-first. Congratulations.
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal Krasne - videla jsem tuhle fotku na FA ci na Photopostu - srdecne gratuluji - Eliska
impressive series! What we need is someone to film you while you're doing one of those extraordinary photographs. A kind of video tutorial for all those who would love to see exactly how you work, from setting up the lights to the final step in photoshop.
Very funny Rasto.... ....and above all.....perfect. The contrast between the big man and the small dog is great and so is the facial expression of the mand and the way the dog does take a look at the plate with food. The way the man does look at the dog and holds the fork and knife in his hands tells something like he wants to say to the dog, dare to take some food of my plate and you will end upthere yourself....lol..... Fantastic story you did put in to this single shot Rasto. Splendid....Best regards, Harry
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal I'm glad to see this gathering mostly positive comments. I'm no exception - this is hilarious and very original. The colors and tones are pleasing and it's interesting to look at.
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal I love the light, the mood, etc.. The only problem I saw was the table looks new under the top. I'd probably of done something to it as it grabs my eye in the end. Also, the guy seems to be looking through the dog, and that is why someone may have thought it was a composite. I wondered myself. Love the simplicity and the even lighting may make for a more 'cartoonish' feel. Blessings, MS
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal I have almost never seen a picture that is a 7 for creativity, but I think this one gets it. Very, very good image.
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal Poor doggie...such different weight categories:)
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal Rasto, je to super :) keep shootin'
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal i like the shot, i just got to say that i don't see how the man is looking at the dog. he has an empty gaze, like is thinking about something, looking right past the dog... so i don't get the triangular flough, but i don't mind :)
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal I like the image for it's originality,simplicity,colour, and wit. This picture is symbolic of the attitude of Big Nations towards Underdeveloped Nations.
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal To quote myself, "I suggest you turn down your second (fill) light"... not "off" it. Perhaps a reflector judiciously applied would work.
All these comments about digital manipulating aand the dog looking "pasted on" are a result of the fill light being too high. The dog's side that is towards us should be a little darker if you want to avoid those perceptions. Imagine the light coming from real world sources, ie: a nearby window on the south side of the room supplies the "main" and a doorway on the north or western wall would supply the fill. Make your lights in the studio like these examples and people will stop whining about artificiality.As it is, the man looks like he's illuminated from inside (both shoulders are evenly lit) and there are almost no shadows to help us understand the origins of the light on them both. Therefore, it has the feel of artificiality... t
I Like It ! Although catching the expression of the dog would have enhanced the picture.
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal I am, as many others here, very impressed by this photo and the entire folder. From both points of view, form and content, it is an exceptional image. It shows an intense emotional situation: the man has a contradiction between his own gratification and care to his dog, he must decide between himself and his pet (it must be his pet since he is on his table). The image conveys all complex feelings that carry such a situation. Both are used to eat, and eat well, none of them look undernourished. He is hungry, feels guilty because dont want to share his food, and angry for being in such a situation. It is amazing that such feeling can be expressed in an image with humor at the same time. The photographer took distance from the scene and watches it with detachment. So he can be interested and ironical but distant. Form is very appropriated for this content, composition is simple, without distracting elements, pointing to the main issue. Colors, lightning and tones support the whole scene. Technically is impressing too, so much that many have asked how was done. The technical solutions you have found are not a minor point. People are asking you to share them, would be nice, but you dont have to. As Marc pointed perhaps a different lightning would produce a more dramatic mood, he is in doubt about, I think it is a good point, IMO, without seeing it in a different lightning, it is better so (my judgment is very shaky being without empirical support), I think that this cartoon look make it humorous which is one of the strong points of this image. Thank to the elves for showing a worth photographer that I did not know.
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal An otherwise pleasant photo appearing from another time is ruined by the lack of attention to covering the modern table support.
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal This is so darn piquant it hurts. Which I assume is the intention, and a good thing -- it certainly caught my eye and moved me to comment. The table doesn't bother me so much, it lends that same feeling of "Ha! It's okay!" that the health of the man and dog provide; however, my display cropped all but a mm of it at first, and the tone does change without. The subtle halo of dark around one and light around the other (and the way the background seems to follow his outline in the darkness) make me think of "manipulation," whether warranted or not. But what really drew me in, and what nobody's mentioned, is the food -- at this resolution, I'm squinting to guess bread or cheese, and neither seem quite 'appropriate' for the dog (bread would be symbolic, of course, and I assume it's that)... For some reason, I really want to see a little more color on the plate (some garnish, a hot pepper, a hint of the steak the dog's 'really' looking at?), or less (removing that distracting splash beneath the knife, which.. I.. now.. realize.. the dog.. is.. pointing.. me.. right.. to, and I want to know what it is and if it's any good, too!)... ...but that'd increase the cliche and ruin the 'postmodern' candidness of it (guy's not too hungry, dog's not too skinny, table's not too old, and how'd we all get into this mess, anyway?), not to mention the triangle between dog, garnish, and knife!
this is a classic picture It's certainly in the "Dragan" style, but it's got it's own flavour. I am with the rest, being drawn to it, wondering about the dog, the food and the dude sitting there eating bare chested. Cheers, Rob
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal What happened to just taking color or b/w photos without any manipulation? Have those of you whom I try and learn from and better myself in this craft sold yourselves to Photoshop and computer enhancements?
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal What a great take on an Old Masters! Very original.
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal I don't find this shot particularly interesting. It's cute but reminds me of of a sitcom advertisement in TV Guide. I guess what I am saying is that it looks too posed or contrived and not spontaneous. Just My Worthless Opinion
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal Humour is one of the single hardest things to achieve in visual art. Early Wegman will always work for me. If a visual artist can successfully introduce a fine line of humour into a body of work, of the quality of this piece, it is a sure strategy to success as an artist. I believe M. Cambal has done it. Bravo! I would love to see more. -RT Simon (www.fineprintphoto.com)
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal With 3/4 front/side lighting, to give some dimension contrast and balance, it would have been a much higher level photograph.
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal Composition is interesting but I don't like it. Colors are absolutely artificial and it remembers to me more like a painting that a photography.
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal As few of you already mentioned we are in fact asked to make judgment on a borderline visual representation. I have a problem with painting over a picture. I have to admit the artist managed to create a very interesting piece of art but it seams like we took all the good pictures one can take and now what is left is to start painting over b/w for a change. As far as I'm concerned I still love traditional photography, I still think there is a wealth of knowledge and beauty to be discovered.
Forgot the Market??? I guess they were just having a down day. The fella looks well fed and the dog looks healthy with a shinny coat. :-)
Tito Carlos Maria Sobrinho
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal Colors which reminds me of a painting. Amazing what a computer can do, and please, continue "shooting".
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal So many persons have already admired this pic, I just want to ask: is it spontanoeus or staged?
What is this? Have to put my two cents in...this is not a photograph, this is a photo-illustration. And we need to clarify the difference. Because I think that they are actually two different genres. If you don't take my word for it, just look at photojournalism. Any photo which has been retouched to the degree that this "picture" has been is called photo-illustration. It takes the guessing out of it, which it should, and let's us appreciate what someone has created in the computer, which has its own beauty and merits, and what has been done in the camera. That way, we can appreciate both genres and pushing the limits in each. But to me, this should be renamed, "photo- illustration of the week".
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal Photo illustration as a descriptor for the genre this image falls into seems apt. That's no problem. But there is something here that clashes a bit, rubs hairs the wrong way, screeches like nails on a blackboard. The technical approach is truly very slick, but the pose is very slapstick. I have a dog, too, and I truly see the humor. But IMHO this would have worked better using Weegee's technical approach; huge on-camera flash, over development, and printed in a big rush. Sort of like a cartoon looks better as a hurried sketch (although you know the artist took great pains to make it so. Clearly Rasto looks at the world through photography a lot differently than many of us do. I tell myself that that's what photography is all about - showing us something in a way we hadn't seen it before. I really should look at Rasto's work some more. I should also sit through an Ice Cube CD.
to all Many thanks for your interest in my photographs and for all your comments, both positive and negative. This picture has been taken as you see it. Nothing has been retouched and nothing there is pasted from other images. It took me about 1 hour to take it. The biggest problem was to achieve proper expressions of both the models (man and dog) at the same time. My wife helped me to ?keep the interest? of the dog. Without her help the picture would be impossible. I took a lot of images (a full 500 MB CF card) from which only one (the last but one) was usable ? that is the one you see. The food on the plate is not cheese, it is a traditional food from this region. Several of you expressed interest in the technology of creating of this image. I hope you understand that I do not want to share with you all my ?tricks?. But I can tell you that: * for the lighting of the scene I have used 3 halogen lights (500 Watt each), * as the background served painted plasterboard, * in PS I generally apply only global corrections (levels, curves, contrast enhancement, color balance, sharpening, minor local retouching (e. g. removing spots caused by sensor dust) ? but no local heavy retouching and coloring. This image was no exception. * I do not use any special PS-plug-ins. Once more thanks for all the comments. Rasto
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal It?s really nice image, but, sorry to say one thing... the last times, this site don?t show only photography, it shows images with too much photoshop effects, so it takes off originality and transform a picture in other thing. So, if we look to the name of site we can read photo.net not, photoshop.net
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal Sorry, Rasto. I assumed it was painted to some extint in PS, based on some of the earlier comments. Thanks for clarifying your technique for us. In any case, the lighting and tone of the image has quite an interesting look worthy of study -- whether the look is achieved through lighting or image editing is less relevant (to me) than the end result.
Matthew S. Schwartz
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal Fascinating... Everyone was convinced you had done major PS retouching, painted with light, etc, but now you tell us you only made global changes. Thus, no "painting with light." So the question, then, is how you accomplished such a beautiful image without major manipulation! Like everyone else, I would love a tutorial, but I understand the need to protect your trade secrets. Keep 'em coming. Wonderful work.
Response to few for two by Rasto Cambal I can't help giving you 7/7 everytime I see this interesting picture. I think you got many ideas in your mind not only good skills of PS but also miscellaneous subjects of normal life.This shot is worth of calling a wow for me even I see it ten years later.