amanda mumma 0 Posted November 28, 2004 I love this but the sky is a little overdone IMHO. Link to comment
virgilmlesnita 0 Posted November 28, 2004 The photo is beautiful but it looks as if you added the sky afterwards. Did you? Link to comment
henrimanguy 0 Posted November 28, 2004 Yes I did. The real sky was so white, so faded, so ugly, so rubbish! But tell me, to what do you see it is not the real sky ? What do I improve to make a realist image ? Link to comment
ivan_dzo 1 Posted November 28, 2004 Superficially nice, but the added sky is the wrong scale and has a different colour temperature. The shot is fine but is very oversharpened. Good composition though. 5/5 Link to comment
sbrauchli 0 Posted November 29, 2004 I agree that it is over sharpened (too grainy and contrasty). It is a beautiful shot and well framed. What gives away that it is not the original sky is the cold white reflection on the water. Dark clouds with blue sky as shown, would not leave that reflection. Link to comment
belenalvarez 0 Posted November 29, 2004 I agree it is over sharpened, but the composition is excellent and you have worked it very well. INHO, the sky is very effective although the reflection in water does not match, this is not important for me. Link to comment
warren williams 0 Posted November 29, 2004 This is terrific. There just seems to be so much story that surrounds it. Lovely. Warren Link to comment
virgilmlesnita 0 Posted November 29, 2004 I was almost 100 percent sure that you replaced the sky because: on the right side of the picture the at the roof level, you can see a thin white border, very bright and shiny. This is the most obvious sign. Then, the lighting over the church domes is very equal, there are no shades. The last building on the left side is sort of "swallowed" by the sky.Another obvious hint is, as the others said, sharpness: you oversharpened the buildings but almost blurred the sky.Now, "Sherlock Holmes" details: I know that it's very rare to have such a sky over Venice, the light over the water is very even, it should reflect more the sky mood. Last reason: I myself replaced a sky over Venice, exactly for the same reason...But, all in all, you image stands as a photo. It has good composition and fine colors. You just need to refine a few details. Good luck;-) Link to comment
henrimanguy 0 Posted November 29, 2004 Thank you very much for these explanations my dear Virgil Holmes. I have made two other versions with different skys, one of these is above, with a blue sky. But I fear there is the same brightness on the TV antennas on the right roof. Perhaps it is better for the water, but there it always lacks of shades on the buildings, of course (I am unable to create false shades). Link to comment
alecee 0 Posted November 29, 2004 IMHO it looks a bit oversharpen but still very nice. You must be very patient to blend in the sky. Nice work. Link to comment
flynn 4 Posted November 29, 2004 Very nice and dramatic picture! I am suprised by Fuji Reala good colours in overcast situation. I use it only when sun it shining. Link to comment
henrimanguy 0 Posted November 29, 2004 Flynn, don't be abused by this photo; as said above, the sky is an addition and the levels and colours of the photo has been manipulated with Photo Shop. The original shot is very much washed-out. Link to comment
paul_sokal___dallas__tx 0 Posted November 29, 2004 Henry, Initially this was very eye-catching but as I studied it and realized the water didn't match the sky, I became distracted. The other image with the blue sky seems equally "inorganic". I was in Venice in September and often the sky and light sucked. I guess sometimes we're not there at the right moment Link to comment
borut_sergon 0 Posted November 30, 2004 Beautiful photo, very good composition. Regards. Link to comment
Guest Guest Posted November 30, 2004 Henry before reading i couldn't tell it was a bogus sky...after reading still can't. Looks like a perfect match. If you hadn't have said up front there is no way on earth anyone would bring that point up.... but it sure takes away a lot from it knowing it IMO. I wonder how many have produced similar shots and just kept quiet...and here we are using these pics as a benchmark to attain the same results through pure photography. Its a pretty good argument for listing manipulations on the details. Thanks for bein up front on this Henry....i like the look of the print film. Has its strong points and grainy complaints but sure is lit nicely almost everywhere minus the sky. Beauty pic. Link to comment
chris_merk 0 Posted December 1, 2004 I absolutely love this photo! Very impressive sky. Nice capture of the "essence" of Venice. Nice balance of water, structures, and sky. It makes me feel like I am really there (if only!). Link to comment
henrimanguy 0 Posted December 2, 2004 Thank you for all your comments and for the perspicacity of those who have seen that the sky was an addition. About this, I want to say that if I never feel "guilty" to replace a sky or manipulate a photo (I think that all photos are manipulation of the truth), I don't feel obliged to point it out each time I do that. I am not a press photographer and it is only my artistic sense which orders me. With also a part of realism sense. About this photo, Virgil have said that this kind of sky is very rare above Venice. Perhaps, in this case, have I do a mistake, but all the same less than if I had paste an aurora borealis. Yet... why not ? Surrealism is just beyond the realism, not against. Link to comment
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