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Gallery: Artistic Nudes in black and white 1

Tags: nude seeking critique

Category: Portrait

Published: Wednesday 14th of April 2004 11:08:51 PM


Comments

Tamara L.
Wonderful one John!

John Peri
I posted a similar shot earlier, accompanied by a painting of the same image ( http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=849804 ). However, I guess it is a pretty classical pose.

Ken Thalheimer
Statue like quality to the pose. Very good John

Andres Borbon
Classic pose, beautiful model. Just one question: Why the towel? The posititon of the left arm is perfect.

Howard Dion
Magnificant!

Dhiren .
is this pose inspired by a painting or a sculpture....'cause i remember seeing same profile somewhere else....just cant recall

Thomas Collins
Great work John!

Robert Goldstein
One of your best.

David Cochran
John, Do you understand how good you are? ;-) peace

W. Roger Keagle Jr.
Classic John ! Carved in stone, could not be any better mate !*R*

John Peri
... at choosing the right girls possibly, yes, but they do all the work, not me. I just follow them around with the camera. Many thanks anyway David.

Barry Carlton
I take you up on your invitation to critique your work. This picture is a good starting point. Most of your work seems characterized by pretty women in domestic or garden settings who, for some reason, either don't have clothes on or are falling out of them. The pictures are tasteful and technically well done, and, speaking as a red-blooded male, the models are certainly pleasant to look at. However, the pictures also tend to have a pin-up quality about them, by which I mean that they seem to be seeking some reason, or perhaps no reason, to see a pretty woman naked. I think, for instance, of your recent picture of the woman sitting at the conference table as if in a business meeting, but with her blouse completely open and her breasts exposed. Titillating (sorry for the pun), yes, but art? I look at it and think it must have been awfully fun to shoot, but I wouldn't want to show it to my wife. This picture, however, is different. Yes, she's naked, and yes, she's pretty, but the picture lacks the incongruous setting of many of the others. This picture seems to be precisely about the model's beauty, and too about women generally; it somehow makes a statement about capital-F Femininity. It goes beyond the adolescent fantasy of women who just can't seem to keep their clothes on to reach a more mature level and a far more nuanced statement about women. What is she thinking? Is she looking in a mirror? She has a dignity, and somehow a distance from the photographer or the viewer. I could see hanging this picture on my living room wall for my guests to appreciate as art, which (and I don't mean this as a slam) I would have a hard time doing with a lot of your others, however technically good they may be. Compared to other photos on Photo.net, not just yours, but those of other photographers, this one is unusually graceful. I particularly like the negative space around her, and I particularly like the fact it's in black and white. It also seems far more respectful of the model than many of the photos posted by other photographers. So I like it. Very much. I hope this is a bit more helpful than, "Wow, great shot!"

John Peri
Andrés, now that's a good question! The answer is because I didn't put the towel on her to photograph her, I photographed her because she had the towel on ... when coming out of the shower ...

Zacarias Mata
Excellent!

John Peri
Thank you Barry, I appreciate your comments, all of them, though I agree with some and not with others. Let me begin by saying that I am not after the "wow, great shot" remark. What I am looking for is the technical expertees which is lacking presently in my work and which may help me to improve it. This will not affect my mission, but hopefully the way in which I carry it out. I wonder whether you took a glance at my biography before taking the trouble to compose all that articulate prose above? Obviously, you were very motivated and I thank you once again! If you did not see the biogaphy, then I find it easier to understand some of the points that you have raised and I will try to answer them. If you did however, then I can only conclude that somewhere along the line you may refute my arguments, which is absolutely your right to do, though I am not really certain why. Various motives have been expressed by others in the past, though as many others have remained a mystery. Some are predictable others not. For some reason, the subject matter that I have chosen to display here is a constant source of irritation to some (though believe me, I photograph many other things too, especially children). For these persons, nothing I say is really going to change anything, but anyway, here goes! First of all, I have fixed myself some objectives. Obviously, these are shared, both with my models and the persons closest to them (the boyfriends, husbands, parents and friends) or I would not be able to follow through with them. Once or twice I could manage it maybe, but not repeatedly as in my portfolio. This leads me to conclude already that I must be doing something right in someones view, or the pipeline would soon end. Furthermore, some people on this site have honoured me by returning repeatedly to comment on my photos. Only the smallest fraction of these are only interested in the girls. You see the names of those that pop up repeatedly. They are almost exclusively composed of serious people that share the same passion for photography as us, surprisingly sometimes specialized in totally different areas than myself. What I also find particularly pleasing is how many women there are among them, as one could imagine them being more critical of my intentions. The "titillating photo" as you call it of the young lady sitting at the table (as well as the other similar ones in my portfolio), are foremost among these. My own wife by the way loves these shots, which just goes to show thank goodness that there is room on this earth for divergeant tastes and personalities. That being said, I wouldn't hang the majority of my pictures on the sitting room wall either! I am glad to read that you find that the model in the photo above has dignity. Well it's the same young lady as the one in the photo that you call titillating, only taken a few years later. Has she changed in her moral outlook or has your perception of her changed?! I would not imagine so. On the contrary, she has passed from being a student to a very sophisticated and succesful young working woman. She has a wonderful fiancée also who is now a prominent young man in politics. Your picture of the the young woman on the rocks is the exact opposite of what I try to do (beautiful shot by the way, I had already commented on it). However, you have chosen to capture an image of a person that blends into her surroundings and is hard to differentiate from them in any way. It makes me wonder whether will will ever see any such photos from you again . Well, my approach is different. I want to photograph my subjects as they really are, with and without their clothes on, and in their natural surroundings. If the technique was usual and banal, then possibly you would not be troubling to comment on it. On the other hand, if my "style" let us call it that is somewhat different, then maybe it has something to contribute? And so some of my pictures have a "pin up" quality to them. Is that bad? I don't understand your point. I do indeed try to glamourize my subjects. First, because that is my perception of women, I really do find them beautiful and try to bring out that quality in my photos. Secondly, because that is what they most enjoy to have afterwards. I may like photography from the artistic point of view, but this is not necessarily shared by them. They want to see and put away some photos in which they are attractive. That being said, and possibly contrary to you, I feel that these particular shots give more of a social statement than my more "artistic" contributions. Why? Precisely because they are an expression of the modern woman today and her liberation. Why should they be photographed only to create a work of art? Can they not also appear as they truly are, without any shame. Yes, she is sitting at a table in an elegant pose. Underneath that glacial stare however is a woman that is also proud of her identity and not ashamed to show it. It is this very argument that has become instrumental in my convinving these young ladies to reveal themselves. It is a challenge not only for me as the photographer but also for the models. They acknowledge this and are invariably pleased with their decision to pose after they have taken it. Most of my models are girls that they themselves have brought to me in turn, and so it continues. I wish I could meet so many attractive women on my own. I don't! Now just as you don't mean your remarks personally Barry, understand likewise that my reply is not only addressed to you, but to others that may also share your scepticism. For that reason also, don't read anything "defensive" in my remarks (a frequent slogan on this site). Your remarks were elegantly made. I try to answer you with equal candour. I enjoyed your comment and thank you for the opportunity that you give me to address these issues.

Alec Ee
Lovely soft features nicely captured. Excellent pose.

John Peri
Thanks for answering me again Barry. I did not take you remarks to be negative. They were even very complementary in places. Thank you. I enjoy reading diverging views, which is part of the fun of being on photo net. I wish it could always be done in such a civil manner. Best wishes, John ... LATER .. the question of the marginalization of women is unfortunately one that is true of all Mediterranean countries today, strangely, though albeit to a lesser degree, even in France. I hope that the fairer sex gets it's act together soon, but without going to some of the extremes that we have witnessed elsewhere, where identities and gender roles end up getting lost altogether. The French have a wonderful expression in this respect which goes "vive la différence"!

Barry Carlton
Actually, I didn't mean any of my comments in a negative sense. If, for instance, you are trying to accomplish "pin-ups," then with many of your pictures you are succeeding, and there is nothing wrong with that. All I can really comment on is what the image does, or does not do for me. And I like pin-ups, actually. My point is that in this picture, you have done something quite different, and harder, I think, to accomplish. Certainly from the pictures I see on Photo.net, it's rarely accomplished. I would encourage you to do more work along these lines, since you certainly seem to have gotten things right with this image. A point of clarification. When I commented that the model here "has a dignity," I should have said, "The photo portrays the model with a certain dignity." I have no idea what the actual person standing in the photo is like, or, in these days of computer simulation, if she's even a person. As you point out, this particular model appears in another picture I found to have quite different qualities (I'll take your word for it). But I think that simply reinforces my point: the way one photographs a subject is critical. The camera may or may not lie, but it can certainly tell wildly different stories. That's why the photographer matters, and why we get into these interesting discussions. As to your argument that the photographs "are an expression of the modern woman today and her liberation," I wonder. A friend of mine who has lived in Spain for the past few years, and who finds the women there marginalized, observes that there's more to liberation than going topless on the beach. I've never seen pictures of naked men offered as paeans to men's place in society. I would say instead that the pictures are sexy, and I applaud a society that isn't ashamed of sexuality. I'm no Victorian. I also imagine your models like the shots. But I think what they show is more sexuality than equality or some similar abstract ideal. Sexuality is human; I don't think it has to be dressed up (another pun, sorry) as anything else. As to my own photographs, don't worry, they're coming.

tari oakes
stunning I like this photo for many reasons, great lighting natural composition...and you used a real camera indeed a perfect photograph!

John Peri
Yes, that is interesting José. Thank you.

José Miguel Ferreira
Very nice work. Wonderful stare. I wonder how it would look warm toned...

José Miguel Ferreira
Something like this...

kristin morales
what classical beauty you have captured...breath taking for sure. innocent and womanly at the same time.

olly Samuel
I like this one, theres not much to say it just works.

Vi P
This is just such a classy portrait... really nice, she looks like a statuette... great idea and fantastic implementation!

Massi Cricco
Very Beautiful Portrait !! Very nice picture. The model is also very beautiful. Bravo (7/6)!!!

Lucian Cionca
Beautiful picture. I don't have the expertise to comment on it but I just want to say that this is one of your best and it's different from all the others because of its sculptural quality and classic beauty. Try more in this vein.

John Peri
Nude torso Just another presentation ...

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