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Cool shot! I really like your creativity. I saw several other photos of yours, my favorite aspect of your style is the different textures that you include in each shot. I don't understand why you gave me high ratings though, I truely feel that yours deserve that kind of ratings so much more than mine! Thank you anyways!!
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Excellent.

Somehow I have the strong tendency to view this picture sideways (portait instead of landscape). Maybe due to the bricks. Maybe because it makes it the shadow seem more logical. Try handing someone a hardcopy upside doen and watch how they turn it ;-)

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Just so you know Andrea I have contacted Photonet and they are looking into my allegations of rating abuse. I submitted many names which are clearly rating your photos high after receiving high ratings from you. Anyone that has the time to cross check will notice the pattern that forms. One cannot fail to notice photos with an average rating of 4.35 & 4.89 and when viewing the list of ratings amongst the names pops up ANDREA L ANDREWS with 7/7 or 7/6. Even if as you claim that you do not know these people and have never met them doesen't mean that you have not created a clique of members who just simply rate each others fotos highly, irrelevant of quality. I downloaded my one foto simply to ivestigate. I rated a couple of your fotos 6 and 5 and 5 and 5 which I believe they deserved but also rated others much lower and gave poor comments. You immediatly rated my foto a 2/2 contrary to your comments , your quote "And compliments for your one pic. You show a thorough knowledge of the photographic techniques and mastery in image composition". I also looked at other members fotos who seem CONNECTED to you and rated their fotos , some good some bad and was subsequently reported for ratings abuse. Even though I had rated a foto 2/2 where it was obvious the fotographer had rated one of your fotos 7/7 in return for a 7/7 and it could be seen that others had also rated the same foto 2/3s and 3/3s . Anyone who cares to check this out will also notice some members who have only rated 12 fotos and suprise suprise they all belong to you. looking deeper at the fotos they have downloaded and again suprise suprise they are all highly rated by ANDREA L ANDREWS ! I have received e-mails from members who agree with me that all this does seem very suspicious. I can only guess that the reason they don't actually say anything directly in the comments is because they are afraid of getting bad marks for their fotos , which has happened. As I said I have been assured this will be looked into but nothing has transpired yet. I wonder if you being a photonet patron has anything to do with it.
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May be you don't know it but the average is the result you get when add two or more numbers together and divide the total by the number of numbers you added together. As I already explained it to you, some ratings are higher than the average and some lower. Rating a picture is not mathematical sciences. Ratings are subjective, not objective. I'm grieving because once more your short-sighted eyes see only what you want to see.
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Dear Andrea I know very well how you get an average, Don't try to avoid the main issue here. For a foto to get an average around 4 for example especially where there are a lot of people rating, this means that a majority of the ratings have been around that figure. This especially applies in rating a foto, a piece of music etc. Whereas your ratings are well off the mark so stop rambling on and excusing yourself as if I don't know how one arrives at an average. I think we are all viewing the same fotos and rarely will you see a foto getting 1/1s , 2/2s at one end, and for the same foto 7/7s. Yes everyone has opinions and preferences but at the end of the day something aesthetically pleasing usually is agreeable by the majority and an average rating is reached by a grouping of ratings within a couple of points and not extremes. I emphasise that this is so in the instance of rating fotos . We are not talking about average attendances of a season of football games or the average age of a populated city where you have infants and OAPs giving you an average age of 40. Does that mean there are no 2year olds or 70 year olds ?
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Andrea, don't listen to this guy. His only photo on photo.net is terrible and should be rated a 2/2 if not a 1/1.

John, IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T READ THE 'FAQ' on photo.net, it asks "how do I get someone to rate my photo?" and answers "the best way to have someone rate your photos is to rate one of theirs." Often this would generate a critique or rating from you to them. Come on John, are you kidding me? Andrea rated some of my photo's well, I thought that was really cool of her. She didn't rate all of mine, so I assume she saw a couple she liked, rated them well, and left the one's maybe she didn't like alone. I followed the link to her photos, and liked 1-2 myself, and rated them well (because they deserved it). That's the way it works guy. And I didn't touch the one's I didn't care for because why should I? I only rate bad when a) it deserves it and b) someone put it up in the critique forum and therefore is asking for it. They want you to rate, and if it's trash and they put it out there, then you rate it as such. I'm not going to trash someone like Andrea. She's not asking for it.

I have had some of my photo's rated bad, and I of course look at who rated it, checked out their photos, and rate them accordingly. It's totally a guide of who can talk and who can't. If some jerk that takes crappy under/overexposed photos rates something of mine bad, I'd of course rate one of their's the same (since I'd be viewing their work anyway, and it is bad). But sometimes someone rates something of mine bad, and I view their work, and their work is amazing, and I rate them as such - and I know, THE PHOTO OF MINE THAT THEY RATED BAD IS BAD, BECAUSE THIER WORK SPEAKS FOR ITSELF AND THE ARTIST, AND THEY OBVIOUSLY KNOW WHAT GOOD WORK IT. Judging from your wonderful 1 photo, you don't know anything about art, or photography - Andrea on the other hand, appears to know something.

Report me.

Report Andrea.

No one care about you're whinning. At least I certainly do not...and go ahead John, rate ALL OF MY PHOTO'S 1/1. I use this site strictly to get an understanding of my work, to advance my knowledge of the art, and to receive valuable feedback - you, my friend, your opinion means nothing - and you can take that to the bank!

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Thanks Jason for upholding me and for wasting your precious time in such a diatribe.

Your comment is self explanatory and any further comment on the matter by Mr Smith's side is inappropriate if not insulting.

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Dear Jason thanks for putting in your penny's worth but are you people for real ? Did you at least check out if there is any truth in my claims. I find it incredible that so many members have only rated 12 fotos and ALL are Andreas and All are rated 7/7 or 7/6. More incredible is that many of these members have not downloaded fotos of their own. So how do you explain people coming on to the site , not downloading their own work - which makes nonsense of your arguement as to why people visit someones site after they have had their fotos rated - rating the whole folder of someones work and with 7/7s and then never visitng again to rate someone elses work. Before I made my observations known Andreas average ratings for the thousands of fotos she viewed was 7 and 6.9 . Andrea has started giving 6s now which has dropped her average rating to 6.2 and 6.22. By rating my foto 2/2 also helped her average rating to drop. I am not saying that many of the fotos do not deserve these high ratings. But what I am saying is that there is selective rating going on. A group of members continuesly rate each other highly. A member rates another members foto for the first time again with 7s and hopes in return to get high marks therefore welcoming a new member to the clique. The truth is that many members are afraid to mark low as they dont want revenge ratings.I haven't viewed your fotos yet Jason but I assure you that when I do I will rate fairly. I believe that the fairest way to rate would be for a team from photonet to rate submitted fotos but this would be impossible because of the volume of work there would be so things will go on as usual. My foto is not a particularly good one but then again it was submitted to test the system and has proven my point . I rated two of Andreas fotos 6/5 and 6/6 but 3/2 for her self potrait and got a 2/2 in return. I am curious what I would have got if I had rated all her fotos 7/7. You mention that my foto was rubbish and deserved the 2/2 and you would give it a 1/1. you can check its ratings which would give it a 4.4 and 3.75 if you take away Andreas and Todds 2/2 ratings. Bear in mind that these two people got poor ratings for a couple of their fotos from myself. Not brilliant ratings for my foto but a far cry from your proposed 1/1. So in a nutshell Jason , do some research if you feel you must justify what is blatant favouritism and RATINGS ABUSE.
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Dear John, what the hell are you talking about?

Your comments are hallucinatory and defamatory.

You wrote that "I find it incredible that so many members have only rated 12 fotos and ALL are Andreas and All are rated 7/7 or 7/6" and "More incredible is that many of these members have not downloaded fotos of their own".

Instead of speaking at random, please tell me the name of at least one Photo.net member who rated only my 12 pics without uploading any photo.

Sorry, I don't know what you are talking about and I am not able to find anyone.

What do you smoke? What kind of drug do you take? Snow? Ketamine? Something else?

Why do you see only my 6s and 7s and not the 3s, 4s, and 5s that I get?

Who is paying you for discrediting myself?

Why are you charging Jason to be a ghost?

And what about you, John?

Is John Smith your real name?

Come on, John...

And, once again, please note that, like other users, I do not need you permission for rating someone else's photo. I am trying to be impartial. Of course I am not claiming to be faultless. But I don't understand your astonishment for my 3/3 or 7/7 ratings on a picture with an average of 5/5.

 

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John Smith (what's your REAL name?)--from what I can see, Andrea appears to be a much more talented and creative photographer than you could ever hope to be... so, take your own advice (as posted above) "Get a life!", and leave REAL photographers (Andrea) ALONE....and quit hiding behind fake names and Hotmail!
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I have seen somewhat similar photographs posted but none were as pleasing to look at as this. Don't let the trolls get you down Andrea. Their instigations are meant to get a rise out of you. It gives meaning to their deficient lives. Regards.
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Judging by his one photo Title I think this is where Mr. Smith got his name from( John Smiths Beer ). Having said that, come on John you can see that Andrea can take very good pictures, and I can't see why you have got personal with her accusing her of rate fixings.That is just stupid. And anyway that is not what this site is about. I bet If you asked most people on here and this go's for myself as well. I'm not to bothered about ratings, what is one persons cup of tea..is not always anothers. Some people can rate 7 / 7..others see it as a 3 / 3 .I think the most important thing is, the true helpful comments that people give to help us on our way to becoming better photographers. The ratings system on here is not the be and end all, it's ment to be a helpful guide to what people think
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