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To John M.

 

John, if you used the very same plugin for Photoshop and maniplulated a rather ordinary picture, you would have had the very same outcome. It is that simple!

 

Even though the maniplulation done very well, yet if you look at the lighting carefully, you will find out that it is not consistent in all parts of the picture. Basically there is no such light in the nauture as seen here!

 

Regards - Hasan

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"Hasan Ghodratiphoto.net patron, September 13, 2007; 08:25 A.M.

Great photoshop!

 

To John M.

 

John, if you used the very same plugin for Photoshop and maniplulated a rather ordinary picture, you would have had the very same outcome. It is that simple!

 

Even though the maniplulation done very well, yet if you look at the lighting carefully, you will find out that it is not consistent in all parts of the picture. Basically there is no such light in the nauture as seen here!

 

Regards - Hasan"

 

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Hasan - What! Would you care to provide proof of this assertion (which I consider an insult to the photographer)?

 

Why would the lighting be consistent in all parts of the picture?

 

How much do you really know about the lighting in this image?

 

If its that 'simple' to achieve this effect why do I see no similar images in YOUR collection?

 

What is the Plugin that been used here?

 

There may be some careful prep work in Pshop in this image, but the original image itself is what matters.

 

Your comments sound like envy. Or if I was more impolite, a crock of bullsh*t.

 

 

Regards

JOHN

 

(ps I did really like your 'dreamy trees' image, but its not in the same class as this!)

 

 

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Your work is simply wonderful. I've admired it since I joined PN. In fact, your picture of the fisherman with the illuminated net is one of the first that caught my eye when I first came here. I'm certainly interested in how you achieve your results, but that's quite secondary to the pleasure and other emotions evoked by your very excellent work (however you do it!).

 

To John M. - I share your sentiments and to add my very un-expert opinion, it looks to me like the light is quite consistently from the upper left with the only exception the light on the reader's face. I'd bet that's a bit of dodging... no more than that. Whatever the PS technique, the shot is extremely well seen and composed, technically beautifully executed, and one I'd gladly have in my own portfolio if I had the gift Rarindra posesses.

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Hi John,

 

First of all, I meant no offence to the photographer.

 

I am not here to argue, I am simply stating that even the photographer admits that he has done so much of dodging and burning, so it is not a secret. If you look at his portfolio, you will see the pattern and how he and a few other Indonesian photographers use the very same technique.

 

I am not the only one who questions the photographer about the technique beside there are many people who truly believe this is just a manipulation of a simple picture, please see below and someone even gets frustrated over the fact that so many people keep admiring the light while it is not the true light but just a virtual light as a result of the manipulation.

 

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5555957

 

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5302496

 

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4933740

 

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4933740

 

The link below is to work of another Indonesian photographer who uses the very same technique and none of them ever divulge the secret (I do not blame them!). In my comment, I have admired his skills in manipulating the picture.

 

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6027856

 

I also enhance my pictures in Photoshop as long as they look natural. I do appreciate your compliment about the "Dreamy trees". Thank you.

 

Regards - Hasan

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Hi Hasan - thanks for coming back with this. Appreciate it (and the links).

 

I dont doubt there's some Pshop manipulation going on. Even the most skilled photogs use pshop - in the same was as the best film photogs used the darkroom.

 

However no matter what has been done, the basic image is very very good and the Pshop 'manipulation' is really only enhancing what is otherwise a really well observed and taken image. ALL of that makes this image work for me. Too many pnet images dont work for me because the images are not that good to start with and a lot of pshop work hasn't saved them.

 

What I took offence at in your comment was the throwaway line "if you used the very same plugin for Photoshop and maniplulated a rather ordinary picture, you would have had the very same outcome" and what that implied. That you go online, buy a $30 plug in, and hey presto! instant sublime lighting effect. If there is a plugin like that I WANT ONE!

 

I dont think it is that simple! I dont think I could do it that easily. And the original image is NOT that ordinary.

 

A lot of skill and effort went into this picture and the final result is very good. (if I was to be critical I'd have to say I dont like the too-green colour cast and would lift that slightly and bring in a wee touch of blue to the highlights- but thats a personal preference and not a prescription). Manipulating lighting in pshop is a real skill, one which too few people possess.

 

Anyway - we all learn from this, and a good discussion is part of that process.

 

And its a generous man who comes back and offers an 'apology', although I dont think you really meant any offence.

 

Good luck in your image making

JOHN

 

 

ps if you locate that special light plugin filter, I'll buy it off you :-)

 

 

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Hi John, no problem. as I said before I had no intention to offend anyone and if anyone is offended, I sincerely apologize.

 

Also, click on the link below and the Indonesian photographer has generously explained at my request what he has done to his picture to make it look the way it does. Please see his comments at:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6027856.

 

Another Indonesian photographer at the URL:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6435991 is insinuating that there are such plugins as I do believe that there are, they are not free!

 

Thanks John and all the best to you as well in taking great pictures.

 

Regards - Hasan

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Hello Rarindra,

 

Really this shot is an attractive one and catches eye immediately and well capture of a fine moment of story telling with very nice focus, beautiful composition and very nice capture of expressions...

 

rabinder bhandari

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Good photography is 50% a good eye for composition, 50% patience, and 50% knowing what to do with the photo once it comes out of the camera. (Yes, that's 150% total.) This is a magical image, and I am not bothered in the least by the manipulations in the photograph. It all works. Excellent use of light and color! Wonderful! :-)
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To say the least, your compositions are marvellous and whatever technique that you have used, you have mastered it. Congratulations! Great work!
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