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Chip,

I see it now - it's porn if YOU say it is. Time to start your own religion. And if you think that "Freedom of Speech" is goofy, - well, you live in a wrong country.

Oh, and what does "overly experienced professional photographer " have to do with anything? Does it make you a better judge of things? Or automatically gives you a better taste? Just wonder.

http://thumbs.photo.net/photo/4998537-sm.jpg

Add me to the Red Dot movement.

 

I'm not a prude. I'm not against nudes. I'm not even anti-porn. But I do agree this picture is not appropriate for the PN I want to participate in.

 

I followed pointers to PN a couple of years ago as a novice photographer and liked what I saw so I stayed. It has changed since then and IMHO it is not for the better. I probably represent a large number of the more typical viewers/users. I look at the pictures of others to gain a greater appreciation of the art of photography and, rarely, I get brave enough to post comments and even my own pictures.

 

While I'm okay with "tasteful" nudes, I now find I'm careful not to go to PN while any family or friends are around because I just don't know what's going to come up and would be embarrassed for them to see some of the more controversial pictures there. I can't control their opinions of nude pictures but I am worried about their opinion of me and can control that by not letting them see what's there. Is that what we want for PN? To have folks like myself having to feel like we're sneaking around when we are accessing the site.

 

I know there are lots of people that want to put the blame on the other people and say well that's their problem not mine but that's just not realistic. For those who want to push the envelop and seek social changes, please go somewhere else. I just laugh every time I see a closeup of a woman's breast posted for critique. Come on. Are you really looking for comments that are going to help you take the perfect closeup of a woman's breast?

 

Since the trend toward more controversial pictures seems to be taking off I find myself coming to PN less and less. I suspect that when my subscription comes up next I'll simply let it lapse. I'm disappointed.

Gary, I feel the same! Every time (and even in this moment) I`m worrying that my family could see me make this comment for instance.

Red Dot Movement? It is simple: just open Photoshop or any other photography software and fill a square (or rectangle) with black, add a red dot in the middle and post the photo for critique. You are welcome and I hope more and more members will join us!

This conversation is pathetic. It may be art, but not a good photo. It may not be pornographic but it is disgusting. If you do not want it here start rating it with 3's. I myself will not rate it at all. By the way, this photographer does have a good, interesting portfolio (though maybe too erotic for some). This would be the only photo I have objection with.

Please join us if you really love this site: RED DOT BLACK SQUARE

Having read the comments - now I know: This is NOT a Burger !?

Think I had to engage myself in fastfood earlier :-)

Weird discussion!

The photo is original and I can see a critical/comical message in it with putting hi profit junk food and the taste of paradise in one. I can't see this porn at all as it does not have anykind of arousing function.

In most western countries young people are more often obese than before. The trend is quite worrying. The hamburger culture is seen as one major reason - junk food, empty calories. The other option here has much less calories. In fact getting one as close as a hamburger usually leads to consuming calories:)

It is quite funny that one can see excessive violence and killing in the TV much more often than two nude people careing each other. And that's considered ok - weird!

Sloppy execution, needs more cheese.

 

Cohen: Yes, I would let my children see this. Viewed without a boatload of emotional baggage, it's just a bit of visual humor. You laugh, and move on. I suppose the photographer must have known it would get a reaction in present day U.S. culture, though, so perhaps that was the intent.

 

Why should photo.net or any other site take action to protect you from your own thoughts?

I need time for translate all :)

many people, divergent opinions and experience

 

There is not a topic which coudn?t be photographed

it?s a matter of taste and opinion

for me it was a desire to try something new

not common, not ordinary- humour, exaggeration, provocation

Hi Martin...first I would like to say I feel you did a fine job on this image...funky...but yet fun. I also feel you do not have to make any excuses why you made this image. These red dot people have a problem with P.net not you! If they do their problems are bigger than they could know...You are a fine photographer who is having fun and working hard... maybe they are jealous...(Just a guess on my part) I too am jealous of your portfolio...your camera skills are excellent... and I look forward to seeing more of your art. Juan

Again we agree. He has a fine portfolio. I just do not care for this image. Maybe we should post a nude lounging on a big red dot! Now that would be funny. It does seem Martin has achieved provocation. If this was an intent then I have to say well done. Cheers!

keep on showing funny pics :-)

George Spinner is my new hero. Martin, this is a great photo and there's no good reason why it shouldn't be here so keep it up. Chip, relax. To everyone involved in the red dot thing. I think people could argue that the only images that do not belong on Photo.net are ones that aren't actually photos, like little red dots.

Why wouldn't I be? I'm not the one showing porn to the public.

"Cohen: Yes, I would let my children see this. Viewed without a boatload of emotional baggage, it's just a bit of visual humor. You laugh, and move on. I suppose the photographer must have known it would get a reaction in present day U.S. culture, though, so perhaps that was the intent"

 

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Well Kevin, in many states that would allow DSS to come in and take them out of the home for their protection. And I agree.

 

BTW, you can call me Chip, unless you wish to be hostile, in which case just don't call me. Thanks.

I would say NO. This photo shows the part of the female body. Every child knows it since the time of the birth. This is only playing with the body. Have a look on your children playing when bathing. Even adult people can play :-)

This picture only shows genitals in funny light.

If a photo does not have merit, rate it low. If enough of you from the 'Red Dot Movement' rate low, it won't be a top photo. If a meritless photo, thus rated by the righteous, is still ranked as a top photo, then it can logically be concluded that the majority in this PUBLIC forum disagree with you.

 

por?nog?ra?phy

n.

1. Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal.

 

The purpose of this picture is obviously not to arouse. Google 'porn' to see the real threat to your children. The first link up, just one click away, gives your crafty children unfettered, free access to near unlimited porn. I think if people realized the ease of which porn is accessed, they wouldn't be so worried about borderline art. Honestly, your kids are not getting off on the 'genital burger'; they are more interested in Free XXX Photos and Next Door Nikki.

 

I believe no child should have unsupervised access to the internet. Porn filters do not work. If my child were to say, access a photo of a vaginal BLT, I would be there to discuss the merit, or lack there of, with her. I'm sure the experience would not scar her.

 

As for this red dot business, you should be embarrassed. Fight poor photos with

better photos and exercise your right to rate the work of others.

Rob....So well Said. Juan

Still at the top for the week. SO, I guess we should open another category and lets call it funniest of the week, after all that's why this image is still up there or is it really that all the raters giving this image high ratings realy think it's a better photograph than the other photos that fell into 2nd, 3rd or for that matter maybe the 50 photos that found themselves behind this image. I have nothing against nudes or porn, good nudes are art and get high ratings, porn is porn and a joke is a joke. Lets try to remember that this sight is to rate photographs on the merit of being good photographs and not to rate jokes.

"Well Kevin, in many states that would allow DSS to come in and take them out of the home for their protection. And I agree."

 

So this picture - female labia with all the fixin's - is "porn" to you. And in your opinion, just to look upon it somehow causes damage to underage viewers. Your solution? To have the state forcibly remove the children from their birth parents for their own "protection."

 

Really? This makes sense to you. I show my child a picture that offends your sensibilities and you think I have should have my child taken away from me. That's messed up.

 

But I guess once you start censoring people, it's hard to know where to stop, isn't it?

 

Torture, anyone?

This discussion is quite the example of what is wrong with today's society in my opinion. The perceived need for stringent censorship and to be politically correct etc. is drowning out the human experience. Must everyone conform to the ideals of another. Orwell's 1984 should have been titled 2006. Just being an antagonist. It's not like this is a rape photo or something; which would truly be bad. Get over it folks.

I find it shocking that the mere existence of a thought or image that they find disagreeable is enough to lead some people to call for censorship, action by the state or worse against the 'offending' party.

 

Put your red dots back in your crayon box and save your outrage for a worthwhile target.