drybrain 0 Posted April 16, 2006 i like the composition very much. i am not crazy about the somewhat mummified texture of the human image. Link to comment
pnital 36 Posted April 16, 2006 Gustavo,I will print some of them to see how it works on prints. Els, Cherlyn,David, Gerry and Amal,I'm glad you liked it as is! Anders, political?.... only dance...Thanks for your detailed comment. Amar, I will try print both of them to see which looks better. Mike, thanks for comming again, I tried it as a hint, it is another possibility. you are right about the other side for the English version, but as it is done here, I need the Hebrew version more.... thanks a lot Naftali, thanks for your point of view, but it is a " frosen" movement, and I'm still experimenting. Thanks to all of you, each of your comment is very helpful and appreciated. Pnina Link to comment
mmmee 0 Posted April 16, 2006 This is an interesting photo but holds no interest without the title. There is noise in the black background. The lighting is flat and uninteresting. The idea expressed in words is fine, but the photo does not convey the emotional element needed to carrry the photo by itself. I want more shadows and highlights to express such a grandiose principle. I know you are busy with your dance group. Many people are busy with their own projects. My neice, for example, is totally absorbed by her teaching. You cannot expect the rest of us to kick into your absorption of your project. Sorry, girl, I calls 'em as I sees 'em. Bitter pill, maybe. Too bad. Link to comment
pnital 36 Posted April 16, 2006 Thanks M.M. helpful comment, I'm in the middle of experimenting. thanks for stopping by. Link to comment
AJHingel 127 Posted April 16, 2006 M.M., reading your straight forward comment on this photo of Pnina, I started wondering if I'm totally wrong and have lost my photographical and artistic eye. I have come to the conclusion that I'm not. I don?t see the noise in the black and I don't see the problem with what you call flat light. Maybe the difference between your view and mine is that you might have seen this photo as a failed portrait and I see it as fully in line with what I believe it tries to convey, a stylistic scene of symbolism as dancing often is. I can only encourage Pnina to continue doing exactly what she is doing so well. Anders Link to comment
mmmee 0 Posted April 16, 2006 Anders This in no way represents a portrait. I have no idea why you want to put words into my mouth, or critique my critique. My monitor may be calibrated differently than yours is. Pnina says she is going to print this. She will see the specs in the background black, she will see the greenish tinge to the almost sepia tones. She might see that the figure is not sharp enough and has blown out white areas probably from over compensation of the sliders in the light/contrast area. I see jaggies along the outside of the arms and a white halo along the whole outside of the figure, probably from over sharpening. All the pretty words and encouragement for her will not make those defects disappear. The concept is interesting but the composition is not balanced. There is too much 'dead' space for it to work. The black along the right side breaks up the figure that to my mind should occupy more of that side to balance the black that is on the other side. I cannot anticipate the figure entering the stage because I cannot see the stage. Instead I see the figure reluctant to go into all that black. This is, after all, a photo, isn't it? Link to comment
AJHingel 127 Posted April 16, 2006 M.M. I reacted to your observations presented as objective facts. After all as you say this is a photo and not a simple technical registration of a scene in a ballet.It is therefore subject to interpretations. For me Pnina's work is artistic and should be "read" as such. I see the blown out parts of the face and on the arm that you mention as faults, but in my eyes, whether it is accidental or intended it works by representing the dancer as figure in a composition more than as dancer in a ballet. Concerning your comments of the composition I don't follow you. I don't see too much black space and I don't se the dancer entering the scene. For me he is on his two feet and not in movement. As to your comments on possible jaggies, greenish tinge, white halos and other nasty stuff I cannot see it but maybe my screen is not as performing as yours. Anders Link to comment
drybrain 0 Posted April 16, 2006 pnina, it is not the frozen movement that i don't like but the texture of the imgage: too flat IMHO. Link to comment
mmmee 0 Posted April 16, 2006 That's fine Anders. My critique is not nasty stuff and I don't think Pnina took it as such a thing. It is my view of what I see on this photograph. Its highly unlikely that it will change Pnina's vision of what she is doing with her "art". My interpretation of what photography is just happens to be my own and I have given my honest opinion of what I see here. You may interpret her photo the way you see it, but its highly unlikely that your critique of my critique is going to change my views on what photography might be. And yes, my view of photography includes good technical use of the camera and light. How is that wrong? How is discussing these technical matters wrong? But nevermind, we are miles apart on our opinions. You have made your point and I think I have made mine, and so it goes in discussions. Link to comment
pnital 36 Posted April 16, 2006 Naftali, ma shecatav lee hacheroograph " mamash yafe veomanuti, Hakompozitya yotseret amira chazaka ushketa" daato kovaat bishvili, meachar shehu osek batchum. Thanks for your point of view, I have only started , experimenting and working with it.. Pnina Link to comment
alexandra rauh 0 Posted April 17, 2006 Pnina,i like to go along with the praise.Wonderful piece of art.Substantial with one message. Link to comment
haleh b 0 Posted April 18, 2006 I have been looking for a way out like this for quiet a while now! Where is the exit Pnina? Show me the way! :) Link to comment
pnital 36 Posted April 18, 2006 You are so skilled that you don't need me for the exit...;-)) you will find the enterance and exit whenever you want to! Link to comment
dguindon 0 Posted April 19, 2006 (I know I'm late when I have to scroll waaay down here) ( : Absolutely fantastic Pnina, basic but very facsinating at the same time. How you determined your exposure is beyond me but obviously predetermined. Nice addition! Link to comment
jeremy freeland 0 Posted April 19, 2006 Hi Pnina. I like it for the minimalism, the in-image crop on the body, the absence of a full face, the contrast of the harsh edges and the subject, the plentiful supply of very dark shadow and the light on the subject herself. I also like that the only two elements of the scene are a woman entering a space, and an exit sign - with the minimalism, this creates a nice tension, for me at least. Link to comment
Guest Guest Posted April 19, 2006 duude, thats a dude. Pnina, I have been here before but didnt leave a comment and now that I find myself drawn here again, I feel that perhaps I should. I dont see the halo as mentioned prior but the sepia does appear more green than brown on this end. For me I like the floating exit sign and the half entering man with the dark space on the left. The negative space on the right bothers me as I would like to see it smaller/slimmer but I realize it does give a bit of dimension since he is walking out from behind it. Knicki Link to comment
jeremy freeland 0 Posted April 19, 2006 You're right. Not a woman, a man. I've always had that issue with dancers. Made for some interesting dates. Link to comment
pnital 36 Posted April 19, 2006 Don, Jeremy and Knicki, thanks for commenting your point of view,it is helpful while I experiment. Jeremy, yes it is a male dancer. Knicki, On my monitor the color is a nice brown and I don't see any green cast, the right negative space is a backdrop, I tried narrowing it a bit and I did not like the composition, as I think that with the dancer together it has a better weight, which is ballancing all the left hs. Thanks ! Pnina Link to comment
j_m_lee_photography 0 Posted April 19, 2006 OH! Thank God I found an EXIT.(ye'tzeeס)and He will lead me out of darkness. I like this unique composition. Shalom dear Pnina. Link to comment
v 0 Posted April 20, 2006 ... if I could comment on a folder, I would. Pnina, I find this series fantastic. Very dynamic and beautiful, full of colour, movement, contradiction and human nature. Lovely! You are such a creative person, Pnina. Link to comment
pnital 36 Posted April 20, 2006 Spencer, Shalom to you! I'm glad you have found the exit.... Vi, that is a very nice comment! thanks a lot. Pnina Link to comment
salvatore.mele 1 Posted April 27, 2006 There is a great tension between the dancer and the sign, and all the black area does magic in enhancing it. Of course, I also regret having lost the first impact of the shot since I could not read the sign, but once I understood it from the caption, the shot did work for me. I like it in sepia, there is something golden and warm about the tones of the dancer that nicely and slightly contrasts with the expressionistic setup of the whole shot. Together with "trio" those are the two nicest of the series. Link to comment
tanyatruong 0 Posted July 22, 2006 I like your use of negative space here, it makes the image very strong Pnina. The composition is fantastic including the Hebrew sign and the body language of the dancer. Wonderful. Tanya. Link to comment
mark_q 0 Posted January 8, 2010 I have to admit it's long time since I have been here. Glad I returned to discover this gem, that does tease my imagination as my inner eye is filling in the missing part of the dancer. His posture and partial appearance against that small sign has a terrific effect, very bold and strong graphicaly. Very well seen and done. All the best pixels to you for the rest of 2010, Pnina. Link to comment
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