alan___1 Posted November 18, 1998 Share Posted November 18, 1998 Hi, <p> I suspect this topic may have been covered somewhere. I would like to have your comments on the effects of flash lights on animals and in particular, insects. <p> Recently, I noticed that while taking shots of butterflies in broad daylight, the insects reacted everytime my flash gun goes off. It took me by surprised as this is the first time I experienced this. I know some birds are sensitive to flash lights but butterflies? Anyone care to share his/her experience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_kolwicz Posted November 18, 1998 Share Posted November 18, 1998 I've noticed that most animals and insects seem to be totally oblivious to flash. Some insects do react, but that is probably a complex combination of the presence of your body and that huge eye that is staring at them and the sudden flash which may trigger a flight response. <p> I've noticed little reponse when using 200mm or longer macros, so I may be outside the threat boundary and the insects simply aren't wound up so tight when the flash goes off. What are you using? How close are to the subject for your images? <p> Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobatkins Posted November 18, 1998 Share Posted November 18, 1998 I've shot butterflies with flash and I've never seen reaction at all. Typically I'm using a 300mm lens with close-up diopter, so I'm atleast a couple of feet back from the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan___1 Posted November 18, 1998 Author Share Posted November 18, 1998 Sorry, I left out some technical details. I was using a 200mm macro lens with flash gun set at TTL. The speed was 250sec at f16. The butterlfies literally folded their wing each time my flash gun went off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_khoo Posted November 18, 1998 Share Posted November 18, 1998 Hi Alan <p> insects usually react to vibrations, movements, and shadow, but not to flash. I have been doing insect photography for awhile now, and your situation is quite strange. you mentioned that you are using a 200mm macro which puts you in a comfortable distance to your butterflies. Perhaps you may have made some small movement or your flash could be creating a shadow(perhaps some leafs or some sort is in front of your flash), that the butterfly is picking up the vibes. Before your shots, check for other disturbances around the butterfly(ie: ants or some other bug, flying insects on or around the same resting area).regardsdavid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m._huber Posted November 18, 1998 Share Posted November 18, 1998 I shoot butterflies with flash quite a bit. For reasons unknown, I get two reactions. 1. No reaction at all. 2. Slight reaction on first shot. I'm very careful about not making a sudden movement or casting a shadow always. It might be the click of the camaera rather than the flash that disturbs them. I shoot mostly monarchs and swallowtails (if that is a factor). I have noticed that some butterflies are harder to approach than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howard_creech1 Posted November 18, 1998 Share Posted November 18, 1998 Alan, I shoot a lot of macro, butterflies (and dragonflies) are among my favorite subjects. Butterflies are particularly attentive to shadows, especially those that come from above (most butterfly predators are birds) If you are shooting down toward them...the flash may be causing them to think there is an airborne predator (closing their wings diminishes the profile that birds search for when hunting) Try putting yourself on an even plane with the butterflies and the flash will not bother them. Moths on the other hand (being mostly nocturnal) will react with flight to flash. Luna moths are especially skittish about flash during daylight hours. Hope this helps solve your macro mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_fletcher Posted November 18, 1998 Share Posted November 18, 1998 I have observed butterflies to be skittish in the presence of flash. Not all the time, however. I recall a recent occasion on which I tried to photograph a butterfly with flash and it was just like trying to photograph birds that don't live in Florida -- it ran away when the flash discharged. On the other hand, I used to photograph wasps a lot and they seemed to take no notice of flash at all, as others above have reported. Overall, I'd say 80% of insects have taken no notice of flash or my presence, while the remaining 20% exhibited a range of reactions. Insect photography has always been very satisfying for me as a result of that ratio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob___ Posted November 19, 1998 Share Posted November 19, 1998 A Vivitar 283 will turn your insect friends into a tasty, crispy, char-broiled treat. Don't overdo the Worscestershire, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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