connealy Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 I thought the <ahref="http://nytimes.com/pages/magazine/index.html?8dpc">NY TimesMagazine article</a> on Diane Arbus was a good read. She did quite abit of what would today be described as stealth photography, but mostof her pictures were what she referred to as "trophies" of intenseengagement with her subjects. Interestingly, many of her subjects didnot like the pictures made of them, and critics often leveled anaccusation against her of exploitation of the vulnerable. I think themoral of the story is that you have to be prepared for indignantcriticism of your pictures of people regardless of the technique youuse to get the pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie_cheung Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 i haven't read the nyt article but read her biography. i believe she used a big flash with her often big cameras. i wouldn't call it stealth given that she use fill flash almost exclusively though she did use leicas early on in her career. she dugout the weird "mutants" and took their photos. as far as exploitation of the vulnerable? i have mixed feeling. also i think her photos are overated though they are great photos and portraits of weirdo after weirdo get dull fast. i admit i like her life story more than her photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ward Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 Leslie (and Mike), I just read the whole article and all the add-on sections as well; it re-frames that whole "mutant" discussion in a new light. I have always deeply loved Arbus and Lizette Model, who is also mentioned, and it was a pretty emotional experience for me to read this. Mike, thanks for posting the link. I would have missed it. --w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearhead Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 The biography wasn't particularly good. It was written by someone who knew nothing about photography and photographers. To comment like that without reading the referenced article seems off-base. Read the article and then come back and comment. Music and Portraits Blog: Life in Portugal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie_cheung Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 i thought the biography was good. it was a good read though i don't know about the accuracy of it but who really does? the book wasn't a critique of arbus's photos but simply told a version of arbus's life story. the NYT article was a good read too but it didn't add any more significant insight. why don't you think the book was particularly good jeff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearhead Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 The problems with the biography have been discussed for years. A good review of the issues can be found <a href="http://elsa.photo.net/arbus2.htm">here.</a> Music and Portraits Blog: Life in Portugal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew_lee2 Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 Enjoyed the article and the accompanying slide show VERY much Mike, thanks for the link. Newfound appreciation for Arbus, whose work has previously never really been my 'thing'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd frederick Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 Diane Arbus is an interesting photographer, who worked with her husband in many photographic projects. She had many emotionial issues to deal with and eventually killed herself....slit wrists in a bathtub!. Her daughter is a photographer who has worked with Richard Avendon. Read the biography...avalaible through most public libraries. During the years when she did much of her photography with the mentally retarded and other unusual people and outcasts, she used a Mamiya TLR with a side flash...very basic. A few years ago a vintage square contact print of "Twins" sold on auction for about $50,000! About 10 years ago I sold a first edition of the "Diane Arbus" book for about $10 at a photo fair...stupid me!. I think it now sells for about $1,500! Oh well! (^O^) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george_sanderson Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 Mike - thanks for posting the site. An excellent read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd frederick Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 There is a good article on Diane Arbus in the Sept/Oct issue of American Photo with many classic photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elsa_dorfman Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 I liked the article a lot. like the detail, forgive me, that she slit her wrists in the bathtub DRESSED. I always had a marat sade image of a naked body in my mind. And the detail that, shades of ted hughes and sylvia plath, the last two pages of her diary had been neatly cut away and apparently destroyed. by whom???? And I had no idea Doon, her daughter, was 26 when Diane died. I had thought younger and had a different scenario in my head. And I think it is a reason to rejoice that her estate has FINALLY after thirty years opened up her archive. As the article reported, the Arbus Trust wdn't let anyone reprint her work w/o approving the accompanying text, wdn't let scholars see any unpublished material. I think the new book and show will be amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douglas k. Posted September 20, 2003 Share Posted September 20, 2003 The Arbus biography was by Patricia Bosworth and was wretched. The author couldn't even get the correct name for Arbus' camera (I think she called it a "Miniaflex" or something like that). Granted, knowing the correct name of the camera is not crucial to understanding Arbus' work, but getting that wrong -- when it's such a simple matter to get it right -- indicates the general sloppiness of the book, and is emblematic of the even larger problems the auther had in understanding Arbus' life and work. The NYT Sunday Magazine article, in a fraction of the space, displayed much better understanding of Arbus' motives and her photos, at least from what I can tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albert_stiegman Posted September 23, 2003 Share Posted September 23, 2003 Time changes things and what was striking and new starts to get familiar. I went to the 1972 Arbus show at MOMA and, believe me, at the time there was little as interesting and different being done in photography. The vocabulary of the medium changed preceptibly with that show (as it had with the publication of The Americans). Her pictures are so familiar now and images have moved well past the point she defined but, possibly due to my memory of that show, I still find them haunting and surreal. As to the Bosworth biography, it was poor and poorly edited (Allan Arbus was spelled both Allen and Allan). However, how much of this was due to Bosworth's poor scholarship and how much to the fact that Doon Arbus would not share material about her mother (as mentioned in the Times article) is unclear. It does seen like a reappraisal of her career is in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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