patricks Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 I recently got my M6TTL back from Leica NJ after an RF alignment and a complete CLA. I am not 100% sure, but it really seems like I experience a lot more patch white outs and have a harder time to focus on the vertical/holding the camera on the side. I've been using it mainly with a CV 35/1.7 - can that have something to do with it? (I don't see how) Cheers, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charles barcellona www.bl Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 1. yes, the adjustment can increase flare if they started messing with some of the internal adjustments to the frame lines, etc. IMHO, they dont know their butts from a hole in the ground on this, but DAG does. 2. no, the lens has nothing at all to do with it!~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lex_jenkins Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 After I cleaned my Canonet's RF the other day I had the impression that it flared more. Then I realized that the "problem" was that I could actually see through the danged thing again. So, of course, I was also seeing some flare that had previously been disguised by the thick murk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_piper2 Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 1) the lens mounted has zero influence. 2) Sure, a CLA could influence 'flare' adversely. Along Lex's lines - if Leica cleaned away grunge on either the (ridged) frame-line illumination window or the curved condenser mirror behind it, that would brighten the framelines (and also the flare, since it's produced by the same light that makes the framelines). Or the condenser mirror could have been shifted a bit, so that it's focusing light a bit more directly into the rangefinder optics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay_. Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 Sort of reminds me of what a pleasure my first Toyota was in 1979, after finally getting free of the abusive sadomasochistic relationship with American automobiles that had endured purely on patriotism. A pleasure that is, until the first time the doobie-toking world-owes-me-a-living mechanics at the dealership got their care-less filthy paws on it, after which it was as much as piece of sh*t as the Oldsmobile I'd traded in. I say "sort of reminds me" because in all fairness I can't say I've ever had a new Leica that was as initially perfect as that '79 Corolla. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patricks Posted August 5, 2003 Author Share Posted August 5, 2003 hm. this was a less than 2 yrs old M6TTL that had seen very little use and was overall in very, very good shape with a nice and bright viewfinder, accept for the alignment. it seems to me that the focusing patch white out happens A LOT MORE and under different circumstances. I guess it is time to call Leica NJ again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay_. Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 Interesting to hear what they say...other than that you should really trade it on an MP ;>) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay_. Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 Your camera was fixed before Leica reversed their parts-sales embargo, so *what if* the plan was to force people to have to get their M6's serviced at NJ, whereupon they would adjust all the rangefinders to flare intolerably, and then tell people to go trade them on MP's? Holy cow Patrick, maybe you've uncovered the conspiracy of the century ;>) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patricks Posted August 5, 2003 Author Share Posted August 5, 2003 or i could pay $250 to Leica and get the new non-flare viewfinder installed. And not the see body for 9 weeks on it's trip to Germany. Regardless, I've experienced more with-outs in the last couple of rolls that I've seen in yrs before that. So much for having a CLA from NJ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay_. Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 <<or i could pay $250 to Leica and get the new non-flare viewfinder installed>> Wait, are you talking about the non-flare viewfinder in the early M7 or the non-flare viewfinder in the less-than-a-year-later M7 and MP? If it's the coated M7 windows they want $250 for they're nuts, but if I can get a new-M7 finder in my old-M7 for $250 I'll gladly wait 9 weeks for it. I'm sure otherwise I'll take at least a $500 hit on resale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgh Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 AaaHHhhhaa... now I know why Jay has been trying to convince everyone these past few months that the 'flare issue' is all in how you position your eye on the finder ("its not the camera", and, "never experienced it"), you are planning to sell your precious M7s - maybe for a secretly desired MP!? :-) I'll buy that useless old M7 of yours for $500! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patricks Posted August 5, 2003 Author Share Posted August 5, 2003 it is the new MP VF, Leica USA doesn't have it in stock yet, but you can send your M6TTL/"old" M7 to Leica and they will send it to Germany. 9 weeks. $250. That is what the service person in NJ told me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patricks Posted August 5, 2003 Author Share Posted August 5, 2003 come to think of it - a new and improved viewfinder, most likely with a more cost effective production method/model which is cheaper, then standardise it on both exisiting models - MP and M7 - and then convince old M users to upgrade their current viewfinders, which they don't admit is anything wrong with. perhaps Leica will turn a profit after all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christoph_frick1 Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 Obviously I can't speak for Leica Solms, just share my experience: When my M6TTL needed some service a few months ago, I was told by the shop that it would take 4-6 weeks, but then I got it back from Solms in less than 2 weeks. And it's in very good shape, with a clean VF, very accurate shutter speeds etc., and I'm also one of the more lucky persons who have to make an effort to make the RF patch flare [on an 0.72 M6TTL body]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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