christiaan_phleger___honol Posted June 16, 2003 Share Posted June 16, 2003 Aloha! I will have to shoot another bikini calendar soon, yeah I know, ReallyTough Job, and I am thinking of going longer than 80mm on my 6008i. Iam considering these 3 lenses, the 120, the 150 and the 180. The 120seems closer in length to my 135 I use for Mamiya, and the closerfocussing would me very useful for head shots and details and theextra usefullness would help with the justification department(seeWife), but the reports of it being only optimized for closer distancescause a bit of concern, although most of the swimsuit shots would notbe from very far. The 150 would be a bit cheaper (see wife above) butmay not have the flexibility of the 120. I have heard nothing butraves about the 180 but the much larger size, filter wise is a bigissue, as well as handling in tough locations like the beach etc. Iwould appreciate any thoughts and ideas about these lenses, or eventhe Hassy equivilent. Most of the shots for the previous calendar can be seen at pualanihawaii.com under swimwear. Thanks for looking and any advice.Aloha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dale_dickerson2 Posted June 16, 2003 Share Posted June 16, 2003 The truth is the 120mm lens is sharp at all distances. At close distances it very very sharp. I would recommend the 150mm. It is very useful general portrait work focal length. As you use it you can see if the longer or shorter lens might be useful. The 250mm is a lens to think about to buy after the 150mm. With any of these lenses the problem is being to sharp for photography of women. You might think about a Zeiss softar 1 to keep the details sharp, but smooth out the skin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s._c. Posted June 16, 2003 Share Posted June 16, 2003 Funny! I just did a bikini shoot two weeks ago. I used the 80 for full length shots and the 150 sonnar for torso shots on my Hasselblads. The 150 will not be as tightly framed (without a short extension tube) as the 180 from what I've heard. With some well considered cropping, I was able to get tighter without any appreciable quality loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmond_kidman Posted June 16, 2003 Share Posted June 16, 2003 If you already know that you would like the focal length of the 120 since you use 135 on 6 x 7, then I vote for this lens. I've owned Zeiss 80, 100, 120, 150, 180, 250, 250SA. The BEST lens for shots of women for me is the 120. Other posters, let's not get in a debate of focal length, that's personal, and I'll stipulate that if someone does not want this length then it's performance is irrelevant. But the rendition of this lens, it's beautiful transition from in focus to out of focus areas, its gorgeous out of focus areas, they're all outstanding. Not much is mentioned about what I think of as the "coherence" of a lens......it's smoothness and uniformity of look across different types of details IN plane of focus. To me it gives a lens like this a very natural (don't read soft or forgiving) look. I am sure that this has to do with the great tracking of the curves in the MTF diagram. In any case, this lens is the best example of that I have seen. I've done tests at different distances, and it's a winner even at 20-25 feet, so don't worry about sharpness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCULUS New York Posted June 17, 2003 Share Posted June 17, 2003 Christiaan, If you don't mind the weight, the advantages of the Variogon f4.5 75-150 zoom are obvious. It also has a macro funtion good for about 16 inches. I have found it to be a superb lens in every respect, except the bulk, but when you can't really move and want to get in closer, it's worth its weight. Only other issue might be its PQ/500 speed on a beach. Otherwise, I've used it as a "street" shooter many times. The prices have fallen substantially on them and would put them in a par with the other lenses you are considering, and of course, you get the flexibility for "free!" See it here: http://www.photo.net/photodb/image-display?photo_id=995697&size=lg Ray Hull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christiaan_phleger___honol Posted June 17, 2003 Author Share Posted June 17, 2003 Aloha and many thanks for all your suggestions. The option of rental is not possible due to the fact I am located in Hawaii and nobody even knows Rollei exists. I feel that the 120 will be my choice. I maust say that I was very very impressed with the color rendition of the Rollei lenses, I mostly work in B&w and my first test rolls were sharp and all, but the first roll of chrome knocked my slippers off (no socks in Hawaii), it must be the HFT working.. Thanks again, Aloha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_chow Posted June 21, 2003 Share Posted June 21, 2003 I'd go w/ either the 90/4 apo symmar or 110/2 planar, and the 180/2.8 tele-xenar. I have the 90, 180 and use these for portraiture (only resort to the 80 for indoor wedding/large group shots due to constraits on space; the 90 is sharper, though). I've tested the 110/2...excellent lens, bokeh is similar to that of the 180 schneider, as it's designed for fashion/portraiture. The 90 is more useful overall than the 110, though, due to the 1:2 macro capability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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