Karim Ghantous Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) Did review: DigiLux 2, 2003 M8, 2006 Q, 2015 SL, 2015 Q2, 2019 M10-R, 2020 Did not review: S2 S007 S3 SL2 M 240 M Monochrom 246 CL M10 Monochrom TL Preview only: M9, 2009 M Monochrome, 2012 M10, 2017 TL2, 2017 SL2-S, 2020 Q2 Monochrom, 2020 M11, 2022 Edited March 28, 2023 by Karim Ghantous Mistakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Katz Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 While I am sure there are cameras on your list that deserved to be reviewed, it probably made sense for DP Review to focus on camera systems that are more affordable and also those used by most working professionals. Vast majority of photographers also like cameras that have AF and can use zoom lenses, which doesn't include the M system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karim Ghantous Posted March 28, 2023 Author Share Posted March 28, 2023 I respectfully disagree, Ken. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg M Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Of all the sites I never thought would go away, that one was the least expected to do so. I never would have even considered it might. Amazon giveth, Amazon taketh away. If only Amazon would do the same…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochen_S Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 Where is the RD-1 on your list? I recall a video by their YouTube guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karim Ghantous Posted March 31, 2023 Author Share Posted March 31, 2023 On 3/30/2023 at 12:24 PM, Jochen_S said: Where is the RD-1 on your list? I recall a video by their YouTube guys. I, for one, do not like that camera that much. I do not understand the respect that it gets, and I do not consider it to be particularly important. But, that's just IMHO. I would go a little further and say that the M8 and M9 are no longer worth considering, given their current market prices. So if the M9 can practically retire, the RD-1 has been long dead. Of course, if someone sold me an M9 for a price that reflects its capability, I'd think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Blackwell Images Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 On 3/29/2023 at 6:24 PM, Jochen_S said: Where is the RD-1 on your list? I recall a video by their YouTube guys. The point of this thread notwithstanding - which frankly escapes me - Karim lists Leica products given attention (or not) by DPReview. The RD-1 is not a Leica product. “When you come to a fork in the road, take it ...” – Yogi Berra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karim Ghantous Posted April 1, 2023 Author Share Posted April 1, 2023 6 hours ago, Bill Blackwell Images said: The point of this thread notwithstanding - which frankly escapes me - Karim lists Leica products given attention (or not) by DPReview. The RD-1 is not a Leica product. Well, yeah, but let's be practical. It's a camera in the Leica RF ecosystem. If Konica or Zeiss or Cosina made a digital RF camera, I'd consider those as part of the ecosystem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisibleflash Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 RD-1 was what I started with when I moved to digi rangefinders. Could not afford a Leica back then. RD-1 was a very important camera in the evolution of digital cams. But maybe not if you are talking Leica. Epson RD-1s 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Blackwell Images Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 15 hours ago, Karim Ghantous said: Well, yeah, but let's be practical. It's a camera in the Leica RF ecosystem. If Konica or Zeiss or Cosina made a digital RF camera, I'd consider those as part of the ecosystem. I didn't understand the point of this tread before, but now you really have me stumped. First you list all of the Leica products reviewed by DPReview, or not. Now you say your consideration was to name digital cameras in the "Leica RF ecosystem". If that's the case, why did you list cameras in the S, SL, and TL systems? None of these are rangefinders. “When you come to a fork in the road, take it ...” – Yogi Berra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karim Ghantous Posted April 2, 2023 Author Share Posted April 2, 2023 6 hours ago, Bill Blackwell Images said: If that's the case, why did you list cameras in the S, SL, and TL systems? None of these are rangefinders. They are made by Leica, save for the DigiLux 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochen_S Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 @Bill Blackwell Images This is the Leicas & RFs forum. Thats why I wondered about the RD-1 missing on Karim's list. I don't think it matters how important cameras are right now, in a thread reviewing a reviewer. Back in it's days the Epson seemed tempting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Blackwell Images Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 10 hours ago, Jochen_S said: @Bill Blackwell Images This is the Leicas & RFs forum. That's why I wondered about the RD-1 missing on Karim's list. I don't think it matters how important cameras are right now, in a thread reviewing a reviewer. Back in it's days the Epson seemed tempting. Please don't take offense, as I certainly don't mean any, but what about the Pixii? Shouldn't that have been on Karim's list too? It's certainly relevant today in the "Leica RF ecosystem" - whatever that means since you can include non RF systems. 1 “When you come to a fork in the road, take it ...” – Yogi Berra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karim Ghantous Posted April 5, 2023 Author Share Posted April 5, 2023 I forgot about the Pixii! I'd say it's quite important indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochen_S Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 Good point about the Pixii (although I am not overly tempted by it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Katz Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 New Leica M11 monochrome preview just published in DP Review!!! https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/leica-m11-monochrom-preview Not quite a full review, but perhaps they were reading this thread. I thought DPR was done with new content? If you have a spare $9,195 lying around and a M mount lens or 2, then have at it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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