al_kaplan1 Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 This question seems to come up from time to time. Back in the days of glass plates the plates were cut to the exact stated size. 4x5 WAS 4x5 and photographers had a bunch of expensive plate holders. When the much thinner film was introduced the industry came up with a way to use the film in the existing plate holders. Thin black metal "film sheaths", which had narrow lip on three sides, were introduced. Film was made undersized to fit in the sheaths. The sheaths fit in the plate holder. And yes, they weren't in exactly the same plane as the front surface of a plate, but close enough when you stopped down to f/8 or f/11. When cutting large sheet film into smaller sizes I always cut of the tip of the upper right corner. This works as well as a notch for figuring out which way to insert it in the holder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd frederick Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 When I use my 4x5 I like to make contact prints. I like my contact prints to be 4x5 and I usually keep a bit of the film border on the print...more "artsie" you know! But, it is not a true 4x5. Can we really beleive anything nowdays! ;>) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkka Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 In Europe, common view camera format is 9x12 cm, which is much smaller than 4x5". exactly same cameras and lenses are used (but different film holders). So I am happy that my 4x5 is at least bigger than that even if it is not quite 4"x5". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardea Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Sort of like a 2x4 (lumber, that is) Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason_greenberg_motamedi Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Ahhh, I understand. An excellent historical explaination, thanks Al. It is odd however that the 4x5 Linhof plate/film holders I have won't actually fit plates which are 4" x 5". Rather, they are meant for plates which are the same size as film, about 99mm x 124mm. Were the glass plates used after the (sub)standardization of film undersized? I understand that up to recently glass plates were manufactured by Kodak, were these actually 4" x 5"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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