John Seaman Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 2 hours ago, mike_halliwell said: So you want to separate Nikon F mount from Nikon Z mount? I've no opinion on that one way or another. All I was trying to do was suggest the correct word instead of "assisted". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Doo Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 3 hours ago, mike_halliwell said: ....and the current Nikon 'all inclusive' forum group has the biggest number of messages. However, I'm not sure what that means about us..? 🤣 Would it mean there are more Nikon shooters or is it OCD? 😎 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian1664876441 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 I've lost count of forum re-orgs over the past 20+ years, but this one is the worst. "Assisted Cameras"- Most cameras require some assistance. Film cameras need assistance loading, shooting, unloading, and developing the images. The process is different from Digital. Digital cameras require much more assistance, and type of assistance is much more complex. Likely to generate a different type of thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Doo Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Brian1664876441 said: "Assisted Cameras"- Most cameras require some assistance. "Assisted Film Cameras": I hope they are not implying that people who use film cameras are in Assisted Living? 🤣 Not true of course. 😎 Edited February 13, 2023 by Mary Doo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian1664876441 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 15 hours ago, Mary Doo said: "Assisted Film Cameras": I hope they are not implying that people who use film cameras are in Assisted Living? 🤣 Not true of course. 😎 I think it means that no thought was given into the new forum structure. The use of the word "Assisted" in the forum name shows that this 30 year old forum is going senile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CvhKaar Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Brian1664876441 said: The use of the word "Assisted" in the forum name shows that this 30 year old forum is going senile. Oh, good, i'm getting a bit older too, so this forum keeps up with age 😁😆 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Doo Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 🤣😆😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niels - NHSN Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 2 hours ago, CvhKaar said: Oh, good, i'm getting a bit older too, so this forum keeps up with age 😁😆 Yes, if using a Nikon film camera and above 50 yrs old (like I do/am) you certainly need assistance 😆 2 Niels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodeo_joe1 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Strange that whoever was responsible for the cryptic "assisted" adjective has never explained the intended meaning. A simple explanation, correction of the typo, or removal of the "assisted" word would put a stop to all speculation... but where would be the fun in that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkka_nissila Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 2 hours ago, rodeo_joe1 said: Strange that whoever was responsible for the cryptic "assisted" adjective has never explained the intended meaning. A simple explanation, correction of the typo, or removal of the "assisted" word would put a stop to all speculation... but where would be the fun in that? I would guess it refers to cameras that are not "Classic manual film cameras" which is another equipment category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodeo_joe1 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, ilkka_nissila said: I would guess it refers to cameras that are not "Classic manual film cameras" which is another equipment category. Thing is, that most of the Nikon experts hang out in this forum. So anyone with any Nikon-related question, film or digital, new or old, would be best directed here. Same goes, I guess, for the Canon, Pentax, etc. fora. Therefore the 'assisted' prefix is confusing, indecipherable and pretty much totally unnecessary. The old (and young) farts in the classic camera forum need not be troubled from their nostalgia-fest. 😴 Edited February 17, 2023 by rodeo_joe1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Seaman Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 I keep saying that "assisted" should be "associated" but will no-one listen? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodeo_joe1 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 28 minutes ago, John Seaman said: I keep saying that "assisted" should be "associated" but will no-one listen? My guess was it's a typo for "assorted". Whatever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Doo Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Someone should write or talk to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Doo Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 40 minutes ago, Mary Doo said: Someone should write or talk to them. Unless someone else is taking some action (this eyesore has been around long enough). I will write the following to the "Help" or whatever forum - If no one objects: Re: " Home > Forums > Gear & Equipment Discussion > DSLR & Assisted Film Cameras > Nikon" "Assisted" makes no sense. Nikon forum members have been waiting for the other shoe to drop but nothing happens so far. Fact: The Nikon forum accepts all equipment discussion, whether ancient, antique, vintage, film, DSLR, mirrorless... Sometimes everything is lumped into one thread. So there is no need to categorize. Thus here is a suggestion: Eliminate "DSLR & Assisted Film Cameras". Please do something. Thanks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_halliwell Posted February 17, 2023 Author Share Posted February 17, 2023 That's why I started this thread........ 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Doo Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 They took the inexplicable "assisted" out, but "DSLR & Film Cameras" is still an incorrect description because this would exclude older-than-DSLR cameras and the current mirrorless crop. I am requesting/hoping they will further modify it to "all camera types" or "miscellaneous camera types" or eliminate this subcategory altogether as I suggested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Davies Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 27 minutes ago, Mary Doo said: They took the inexplicable "assisted" out, but "DSLR & Film Cameras" is still an incorrect description because this would exclude older-than-DSLR cameras and the current mirrorless crop. I am requesting/hoping they will further modify it to "all camera types" or "miscellaneous camera types" or eliminate this subcategory altogether as I suggested. What about: "Rangefinder/SLR/DSLR and Mirrorless"? or maybe "Past and Present Nikon Cameras"? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Doo Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 42 minutes ago, Rob Davies said: "Past and Present Nikon Cameras"? Think this is probably the most inclusive and elegant description so far. I will add it in. Thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samstevens Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 On 1/25/2023 at 9:03 AM, ilkka_nissila said: Mixing brands in the same forum (ie. mirrorless digital cameras) over time can lead to a lot of brand wars. And that would say a lot more about PN users than administration's categorization. 🙄 "You talkin' to me?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_halliwell Posted February 20, 2023 Author Share Posted February 20, 2023 1 hour ago, samstevens said: On 1/25/2023 at 5:03 PM, ilkka_nissila said: Mixing brands in the same forum (ie. mirrorless digital cameras) over time can lead to a lot of brand wars. And that would say a lot more about PN users than administration's categorization. 🙄 Interestingly, brand free forums such as 'Nature' don't become Brand Wars! Just Saying.....🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samstevens Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, mike_halliwell said: Interestingly, brand free forums such as 'Nature' don't become Brand Wars! Just Saying.....🤣 I don’t know if you are trying to suggest that brand wars are a function of categories rather than those who would engage in them bearing the responsibility. It’s hard to tell what point you’re making. In any case, keep in mind that correlation is different from cause. The fact that brand-oriented forums are more likely than genre forums to result in brand wars doesn’t necessarily say those forums are the cause. Participants might want to take some responsibility and certainly have the choice whether to start or engage in these tired equipment battles. Now, onto more important things such as The Beatles vs. The Rolling Stones. 😊 "You talkin' to me?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_halliwell Posted February 20, 2023 Author Share Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, samstevens said: And that would say a lot more about PN users than administration's categorization So, what are you saying? I don't recognise you as a regular contributor, if at-all, Nikon PN user. 🤔 Edited February 20, 2023 by mike_halliwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samstevens Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 I’m saying that brand wars among photographers are laughable. 1 "You talkin' to me?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samstevens Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) Right, long-term PN contributor but not a participant in brand or equipment forums. I was following some other leads and stumbled across this thread. And I chose to comment. Edited February 20, 2023 by samstevens 1 "You talkin' to me?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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