ShunCheung Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 The firmware upgrades are for the 400mm/f2.8, 400mm/f4.5, 600mm/f4, and 800mm/f6.3 PF lenses, all upgrading to version 1.10: https://downloadcenter.nikonimglib.com/en/update/index/2023.html It looks like only the Z6ii, Z7ii, and the Z9 support the new capabilities, not the original Z5, Z6, Z7 and the DX bodies. From Nikon: The lens now supports options for [Focus ring rotation range] * in the camera [CUSTOM SETTINGS MENU] in addition to [Non-linear]. When a linear option is selected, rotating the focus ring the selected amount in manual focus mode will take the lens from the minimum focus distance to infinity, regardless of the speed with which the ring is rotated. Added support for the [Switch focus/control ring roles] * feature in the camera [CUSTOM SETTINGS MENU]. * As of January 2023, the cameras that support these options are (from “C” firmware version 2.00) the Z 9 and (from “C” firmware version 1.40) the Z 7II and Z 6II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkka_nissila Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 One thing that I would like to see is lens-dependent settings regarding the manual focus ring turn. Now if one chooses one of the linear settings from the menu, all lenses (that support this customization) have the same turn. This may or may not be ideal, for example, a macro lens might benefit from a longer turn. Interesting that the Nikon forum is now under Modern film cameras. Perhaps whoever is editing the site hasn't looked inside the content of the forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShunCheung Posted January 17, 2023 Author Share Posted January 17, 2023 34 minutes ago, ilkka_nissila said: Interesting that the Nikon forum is now under Modern film cameras. Perhaps whoever is editing the site hasn't looked inside the content of the forums. That change surprised me as well. I upgraded the firmware on my 800mm PF, and it only took around 10 seconds or so. (Didn't time it accurately.) In these days I am more used to Z9 firmware upgrades, which typically take about 6 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_halliwell Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 14 hours ago, ilkka_nissila said: Modern film cameras Isn't that a contradiction in terms? 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkka_nissila Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, mike_halliwell said: Isn't that a contradiction in terms? 😉 There are so many contradictions in the forum hierarchy now. One can differentiate between modern (i.e. autofocus & with all the modern bells and whistles) and classic (old) manual film cameras, if one wants to, and I can see that this makes some sense. In any case apparently the sales of film has increased and stores now stock varieties that used to be discontinued. There is now Ektachrome E100, for example. Edited January 18, 2023 by ilkka_nissila Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_halliwell Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) 53 minutes ago, ilkka_nissila said: sales of film has increased Film yes! Cameras, not so sure. When was the last high-end Nikon/Canon film camera introduced? F6 2004, i think? Edited January 18, 2023 by mike_halliwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkka_nissila Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, mike_halliwell said: Film yes! Cameras, not so sure. When was the last high-end Nikon/Canon film camera introduced? F6 2004, i think? Well, there are millions of perfectly functional Nikon 35mm cameras around, it is not a problem to find one, and for low prices as well. It would be difficult for a new camera to compete with such excellent cameras available at low prices. Forums are not just discussing cameras that are presently available new but also cameras that people use or want to use. The purpose of the photo.net forums is to help people solve their photographic problems and not necessarily to help promote the sales of new cameras (which is the purpose of some other forums, it seems). Edited January 18, 2023 by ilkka_nissila 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_halliwell Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 3 hours ago, ilkka_nissila said: also cameras that people use or want to use No problem with that. I still keep my F80 incase someone wants me to take slides. It's the label Modern Film Cameras.... What date does a camera need to be to be NOT modern... pre 1980, pre 2000 maybe ? No AF or perhaps no internal lightmeter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShunCheung Posted January 18, 2023 Author Share Posted January 18, 2023 It has been reclassified to Modern Digital and Film Cameras. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Doo Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 On 1/18/2023 at 10:11 AM, mike_halliwell said: What date does a camera need to be to be NOT modern... pre 1980, pre 2000 maybe ? No AF or perhaps no internal lightmeter? Hmm... maybe this one? 😜 What Nikon model is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_halliwell Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Mary Doo said: What Nikon model is this? I dunno, but it's mirrorless! 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkka_nissila Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 9 minutes ago, mike_halliwell said: I dunno, but it's mirrorless! 😉 Rangefinders contain mirrors and/or prisms (which are basically acting like mirrors), so they're not mirrorless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_halliwell Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 36 minutes ago, ilkka_nissila said: Rangefinders contain mirrors and/or prisms (which are basically acting like mirrors), so they're not mirrorless. Indeed they do, but they are no-where to be seen in the actual image forming 'pathway'. They have mirrored 'viewfinders'. My car isn't mirrorless either....🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkka_nissila Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, mike_halliwell said: Indeed they do, but they are no-where to be seen in the actual image forming 'pathway'. They have mirrored 'viewfinders'. My car isn't mirrorless either....🙂 The rangefinder (which contains the mirrors / prisms) is used for viewing the subject and for focusing. The mirrors in DSLRs are used for the same purposes: viewfinder and focusing. They are not in the image-forming pathway when the shot is taken. Mirrorless cameras are actually mirrorless. There are video cameras where there is a beam splitter between the main lens and the image sensors (three sensors) that stay in place during the image capture, they are called Three-CCD cameras. Sony's SLT technology also had a semitransparent mirror in the optical path when the shot was taken. However, it seems neither technology is popular today. Edited January 20, 2023 by ilkka_nissila Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShunCheung Posted January 20, 2023 Author Share Posted January 20, 2023 2 hours ago, mike_halliwell said: My car isn't mirrorless either....🙂 On some EVs, the center rear-view "mirror" is actually a video image flipped to look like a mirror image. I suppose the side mirrors are still actual mirrors. As far as what is "modern" is concern, I think perhaps we can draw the line on AF cameras. From the Nikon N2020/F501 from 1986 and on, they are "modern" film cameras, until digital came along. Yeah, I know there was the F3AF. 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Doo Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 21 hours ago, Mary Doo said: What Nikon model is this? Can be a Nikon S2, released in 1954 when Nikon tried to keep with the Leica M3 rangefinder. It probably can qualify as non-modern enough to be forbidden in this forum? 🙃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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