john_p Posted November 20, 1998 Share Posted November 20, 1998 I just shot some portraits of some young kids for a customer. She expressed interest in having the prints "different" in some way. She suggested a warming or toning, perhaps sepia. I'm fairly new to B&W printing and found that sepia is not practical since I need to make 50 prints and the toning process if fairly time consuming. I shot the pictures on FP4 and I tried printing on Ilford Warmtone RC developed in AGFA Neutol WA. I'm pretty happy with the results but there's always room for improvement. Suggestions? Also, if the pictures were not shot with a soft focus filter/lens is there a way to soften them in the darkroom? Thanks! <p> -John <p> -John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightcraftsman Posted November 20, 1998 Share Posted November 20, 1998 Softening prints in the darkroom is easy. All it takes it a piece of pantyhose and a rubber band to fasten it over the enlarger lens. Focus the image on the easel, carefully put the pantyhose over the lens and print away. <p> Warming the prints is more difficult without toning them. The warmtone paper is a good start, but other than toning the prints afterward I'm not sure how you could add warmth. I use Kodak selenium toner diluted 5:1 for getting a sepia toned look without the time of sepia toner. If your prints are small you can tone three to four prints at a time in an 11x14 tray. You could also try a 16x20 tray and cut down the total time you spend toning. Maybe someone else can come up with a better idea, but using selenium toner you should be able to get through 50 prints in a couple of hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christian_leue Posted November 20, 1998 Share Posted November 20, 1998 I have found that Kodak's standard glacial acetic acid stop bath, if used in one-and-a-half to double concentration can tone Ilford Multigrade RC papers a noticable yellow-beige colour in about a minute. I've found this to be a fairly nice tone, and have used it as a practical alternative to sepia, although it will not replicate a sepia tone. The colour is closer to the warmtone papers. Perhaps this will help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_eaton Posted November 20, 1998 Share Posted November 20, 1998 Man, talking about this makes me want to go out and grab a box of Agfa Portiga Rapid. Stellar warmtone paper - maybe among the best that ever was. <p> I've got a neater trick. Print the black and white negs on color paper and make them any color you want! An example: http://www.mindspring.com/~wseaton/big6th.htm <p> //scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msitaraman Posted November 21, 1998 Share Posted November 21, 1998 Do you already have all the negs for the project? If not you could useT400CN and have a pro lab print it with a slight brown/sepia cast. Quite subtle if they use Fuji paper. It can be made to print neutral grey too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_p Posted November 21, 1998 Share Posted November 21, 1998 I would second //scott's reccomendation of Agfa Portriga in Neutol. Portiga also used to have a matte surface fibre based print that had a very warm softened look to it that may fit your need; I have not used it in years and do not know if it is still availible. I think it was called PRN 118.<p> I have also used Edwal LPD developer with the Ilford MGFB papers with good results. LPD is one of those paper developers with which you can vary the mix to control color. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_p Posted November 21, 1998 Share Posted November 21, 1998 Oh; I almost forgot. If you must have the (ick!) soft focus effect, you can use the Portriga Matte paper mentioned above (not really soft focus, but softer than the glossy Portriga since the surface is pebbled), try a photo matte spray (sprays on the surface of your photo -- also hides fingerprints or bad spotting job).<p> More softness, if you must (ick!) can be had by holding wrinkled saran wrap (or the nylon mentioned by D Spohn above) under the lens. I once made a soft focus picture for a girlfriend (really --- she insisted) by stretching wrinkled cellophane over a cardboard frame. I cut a hole in the center of the cellophane so the center of the image would be sharp and held it under the enlarger lens during exposure. As an added bonus, I used a circular dodging tool to dodge out the center while I burned in the edges of the picture, also while using my cellophane. The print was sharp and clear at the center, dark and blurry around the edges. I selenium toned the result. She loved it and hung it on her wall. I thought it looked like I had a filter that was dirty around the edges and a serious hood vignetting problem. We broke up, she moved away and I was relieved not to have to look at that picture anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel_brown1 Posted November 21, 1998 Share Posted November 21, 1998 Stefan's notes on soft-focus methods remind me of a simple technique I've used several times. Ironically, the last time I remember using it was on an informal window-light portrait of an ex-girlfriend! She had very nice, pleasantly smooth skin, but even the soft light cutting across her 30-something cheek made her skin look a bit harsher than reality. So I diffused it. "Blasphemy," some of you purists may exclaim. Ok, but would you like to see photos of your ear hair published? Don't have any ear hair? Unless you're a girl, just wait... <p> Printing an 8x10, I started with an 11x14 piece of thin plate glass propped up a few inches over the easel with two stacks of books, bricks or whatever (cheaper window glass would serve just as well.) Also, to eliminate contrast-quashing reflections down onto the paper, it's not a bad idea to drape black cloth or paper over the easel-side areas of those supports. For the same reason, it would be good to tilt the glass 10 degrees or so from horizontal. Not doing so, it seems, could reflect some portion of the light back up into the lens, adding an unpredictably random amount of flare. Just a thought, not necessarily a valid one.... <p> Then with the enlarger turned on, er, "illuminated," dab petroleum jelly VERY lightly onto the glass, above areas of the image needing diffusion or softening. Though I haven't tried this next for this purpose, I suspect that water-soluble K-Y jelly, a personal lubricant, would work as well, and would make for a much easier clean-up job. <p> In use, expose the paper as usual, moving the glass around a bit to blend the edges of the effect, just as you would move a dodging tool. Your first and only mistake will be to employ too much diffusion. Correct that with either or both of these methods: use a lot less gooey stuff on the glass, or pull the glass completely out of the light path after only some 20-60% of the exposure time. I particularly like the second method because, properly time-proportioned, it closely emulates the unique, simultaneous, sharp-but-not-harsh effect of a soft-focus lens. And it allows localized diffusion. You can feather out cheeks, chins and under-eye wrinkles while leaving the pupils and lashes razor-sharp (very similar to the pin-, needle- and laser-sharp criteria recently discussed here). <p> Your friends and relatives will totally marvel at your talent. Try it; if you like it, e-mail me large sums of cash money. [:-) <p> Mel Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_vancosin Posted November 22, 1998 Share Posted November 22, 1998 The trouble with all these diffusion under the enlarger lens methods is that the result will show the dark areas diffusing into the lighter areas - exactly opposite of "real" soft focus. I suppose that if you weren't able to do it in camera, the next best thing would be Photoshop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony_doucet Posted November 23, 1998 Share Posted November 23, 1998 I have had good results imitating sepia toning by printing B&W negs on colour paper. It took a bit of testing to nail the filter pack but once I did it became an "assembly line" process to crank out as many sepia toned prints as I wanted without any time required for a toning step. As for softening in the darkroom, I'm not a big fan of diffusion methods for printing - I much prefer softening in camera. But I have had OK results with panty hose material stretched in an embroidery hoop for part of the total exposure time. Like the filter pack, it takes a bit of testing to nail down the effect that you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twmeyer Posted November 23, 1998 Share Posted November 23, 1998 here's a few cautions.... <p> LPD developer dilutions are designed to change the contrast of the print as well as the color. <p> sprays are NOT archival and will cause problems. <p> color printing is the easiest way to imitate toning, but it's not the same, it's just different. and you can make a black and white neg ANY color you want, it's great fun but if you use a lab get ready to do some serious convincing. they may not be willing to experiment at their cost, so expect pay for the perfect color and keep the color correction formula you like for the next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erin_c. Posted April 10, 2003 Share Posted April 10, 2003 Hey, anyone who's done the color printing in place of sepia toning go into specifics on how to do this? Do you need a color enlarger? I have old color paper and chemistry, I'd like to try it if possible. Thanks. E. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ole_tjugen Posted April 12, 2003 Share Posted April 12, 2003 Not ann answer to Erin... Have you thought about warmtone developers? "The Darkroom Cookbook" has a long list of recipes for these. I've only tried one, but that made even "coldtone" MGIV RC warm. Since I have no warmtone paper at the moment, I haven't tried that. But I imagine you could get a quite convincing sepia with the right developer. Neutol WA is not all that warm... BTW, you could alwaus try toning your prints (yes, I know you mentioned your reason for not toning) in cold tea. This colours the paper base, not so much the image itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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