Mike Gammill Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 <blockquote> <p>"The date was actually noted many centuries ago, and it is: December 21, 2012."</p> </blockquote> <p>Well, some of the film I've bought has an expiration date beyond Dec. 2012. <br> Seriously, Kodak will probably leave the film market first. They've already shown their lack of commitment. Maybe Fuji next. I think Ilford will be the major film manufacturer that stays with film the longest. I believe the smaller manufacturers will continue of offer film as long as there's a demand. But, the only way Kodak would make a comeback is if enough serious (and wealthy) photographers bought them out and started making whatever kind of film they want. Hey, if I ever become a billionaire, Kodak will be my first purchase.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrydressler Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 <p>Oh that is easy I have a case of acufine and replenisher I can make Coffee developer and I have even developed film in my own urine so that is no problem. I have 1/2 a case of DK50 in cans and I have Diafine in cans. I am 52 I figure They and my Rodinol will all out live me. As for color I am learning to use Hair dye to develop in. Fixer I have a pool supply store and I have used Kosher sea salt.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDMvW Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 <p>I love photography myself. Film or digital is less important. The picture is the thing (although I do really like nifty old mechanical cameras too)</p> <p>I don't know about Larry, but personally I prefer Kona coffee developer (much smoother) and the urine of a young virgin.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrydressler Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 <p>LOL Harsh Mexican instant coffee and that of a drunk works best. same as for making gun powder. Look it up JDM.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrydressler Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 <p>:=) Chimp smile.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig_gillette Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 <p>"35mm film" (including the mystery meat in disposables that the consumer has absolutely no idea what size it is) will disappear from general consumer applications before larger roll and sheet films for the devout specialists. Mostly because the consumer that supports the manufacturing volume neither knows nor cares about film size nor do they seem to believe or need to believe the faintly echoing cries from those who still carry the flickering torch that film is better than digital. They just need something that will take a picture when they want it to.</p> <p>What should, it seems to me, to be scary is that the (consumer/affordable) scanners which many of us might need to finally scan all of those boxes of Kodachrome may disappear before before the new film does.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrydressler Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 <p>Be hard core or die. Those one shot cameras are the cameras keeping many films alive. How do I know that I get the empties to reload bulk film. I get them from the minilabs around town and 70% of the cassettes are from one shot cameras.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhooru Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 <p>So if you have a mint F100 then just use it till there is no more film. Why worry, unless your really trying to find out if you could sell it.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff_z. Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 <p>Less and Larry, Agreed!:)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik_prestmo Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 <p>Copies made for distribution.....<br> Exactly! Last week celebrated the transfer to non-analog moviehalls for the entire country over here.<br> The last showroom dismounted its old equipment last week, now moveis are ditributed digitally ALL across the country. make sure all will follow suit, and pretty soon all movies will be distributed across the net, universally.<br> You make tha same mistake tha Kodak did with China, the transfer will be far quicker than anyone thought. Just look at here, at the time James Bond and Dr. No came out, the movie wasn't distributed over here until 1,5 years after the fact.<br> Nowadays they are no longer talking about premiere showing in the capatal, like thye used to, movies will be distributed all across the country at the same night, at the same time in all showrooms.<br> And not even ONE copi made.<br> I'm not looking forward to this of course, but its coming FAST.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik_prestmo Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 <p>Copies made for distribution.....<br> Exactly! Last week celebrated the transfer to non-analog moviehalls for the entire country over here.<br> The last showroom dismounted its old equipment last week, now moveis are ditributed digitally ALL across the country. make sure all will follow suit, and pretty soon all movies will be distributed across the net, universally.<br> You make tha same mistake tha Kodak did with China, the transfer will be far quicker than anyone thought. Just look at here, at the time James Bond and Dr. No came out, the movie wasn't distributed over here until 1,5 years after the fact.<br> Nowadays they are no longer talking about premiere showing in the capatal, like thye used to, movies will be distributed all across the country at the same night, at the same time in all showrooms.<br> And not even ONE copy made.<br> I'm not looking forward to this of course, but its coming FAST.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrydressler Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 <p>Well I say agree or change. I for one only change my developers my cameras and film. LOL</p> <p> The thing is I love film and I may go overboard to use and keep it alive. I do have a digital camera it cost me $50 at a 2nd hand store and uses a USB cable. I would rather screw up a roll of film in a old Rolleicord I payed $70.00 than shoot anything I care about on a digital camera. :)<br> I develop my own B&W and I have done Color back to E3. and C22. I remember holding it up to the light and then redeveloping. I truly think my being a Mule in this is because I do my own film.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orourke Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 <p>This question comes up all the time. Anyone who says they know when film will be discontinued are basing their answer on rumor or speculation. Those who would know are under a Non Disclosure Agreement (NDA) and couldn't tell you even if they did. Nothing can be gained by speculation or rumor so I'm closing this thread now................... oh wait,...different thread. Carry on.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrydressler Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 <p>Bill I am a Mod in another place and I love to watch them die out and show up again. I think though after this one I have stated all I can other than that I did use Urine and coffee together to get finer grain. :)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve m smith Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 <blockquote> <p>I have no idea if Ilford could start making color film if Kodak and Fuji pack it in.</p> </blockquote> <p>That would be <em>resuming</em> production of colour film as they used to make it many years ago.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrydressler Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 <p>Or just taking over the machines at the Kodak Park. Why up and move them just use them and rent the building if buying it is not good for the laws and taxes.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
je ne regrette rien Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 <p>Do you guys have an idea of how many film producers there are on the market, producing different types of film?</p> <ul> <li>Adox</li> <li>EFKE</li> <li>Foma</li> <li>Forte</li> <li>Fuji</li> <li>Ilford</li> <li>Kodak</li> <li>Maco</li> <li>Rollei</li> <li>...</li> </ul> <p>The offer of different types is still very broad, even if there is some consolidation: Kodak issued new Portra, discontinuing Portra NC and VC, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.<br /> There are at least 20 different types of different film in different ISO 50, 100, 125, 200, 400, 800, 3200, in different formats: 120, 135, sheet.<br /> Not enough?<br /> Some years ago Kodak's CEO officially said that film was going to be available for many decades.<br /> Why worry?<br /> There are enough on-line shops to get it and some real shops, too.<br /> Just go on using it!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_s Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 <p>OK, somebody tell me if this sounds like it's correct. Last year, at a reception, I met a woman who is an experienced but obscure independent film maker. (I won't quote her by name, but nobody would have heard of her anyway. I hadn't prior to this meeting.) We got to talking about media, and if I remember right, she said that her work had indeed gone digital, and she'd done her last couple of films with a Red camera.</p> <p>She went on to say that despite that, she believed film would be around for a long time. Her reasoning was that film is the gold standard as an archival material, so it will stay in production. I was surprised at that, but she seemed to know what she was talking about. I didn't get a chance to pump her for details.</p> <p>Can anyone here who works in cinematography corroborate this? Or was she all wet?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_robison3 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 <p>I sure don't know how any of this is going to turn out but by the time I got to the last comment I had pulled up my pants cuffs about as high as they can go.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kris-bochenek Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 <p>I believe that the film will be available for some time to come. Although many will be shooting digital there will be a niche of people that will still use film.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauro_franic Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 <p>Here is my prediction:<br /> - Consumer digital P&S digital cameras will shrink or disappear before film. This market is driven by convenience with no regard to quality (or they would be using a compact 35mm film) so they will soon prefer phones to a digital P&S.<br /> - Memory cards: SmartMedia, XD, Memory Stick, MMC, you name it... have died over the last decade very quickly. SD is only natural to follow.<br /> - Memory card readers: die soon after the cards.</p> <p>So here is the punch line:<br /> - You are better off stocking up on card readers than on film so your children and gran children can retrieve them.<br /> - Unless, you transfer the files to your computer; in which case you don't have to worry since they will certainly be lost by the time your grand children pick an interest.</p> <p> </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauro_franic Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 <p>Your F100.</p> <p>Email me directly and I will offer to buy it from you with memory cards for you digital camera.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelaMolnar Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 <p>I like Michael Alex the statement the most;<br> "The date was actually noted many centuries ago, and it is: December 21, 2012."<br> Using Velvia and Sensia, I'm not wary about it.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjferron Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 <p>Agree with Mauro to a point but have to say I am "the" only person I have seen in the last year using a film camera. That alone tells me there will be (already is) a limited nitch market for film where one or two companies manufacturing film survive. Camera phones are already replacing the point and shoots and cool little cameras like the new Olympus XZ-1 are aimed at small market above the average user.</p> <p>One thing bothers me though. In a few years when Nikon no longer supports repair on cameras like the F5 and F100 who is going to fix it? Sure it's still easy to get mechanical cameras repaired. But these electronic cameras could become bookends I'm afraid..</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrik_lauridsen Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 <p>Personally, I think we will run out of 35mm cameras in working order, before we run out of film. Or, on a more immediate worry, film scanners, as Craig mentioned. In five years time, when my current Canoscan 8800F is either dead, or without drivers available for whatever OS I will be using at that time, will there be affordable film scanners available?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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